Tony Snell gets too much hate

[ursamajor]

I'll be glad when MDJ returns...

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[Raskolnikov]

He can be a decent player when he's playing aggressively but he needs to show it more consistently.

Another player that gets too much hate and is underappreciated is Gasol, a classy dude who was an All Star starter last season who's only getting paid $7M. I've seen some Bulls fans making him the scapegoat and even calling him the team cancer which is blasphemy. If the Bulls trade him so be it but they're not going to be as good offensively unless they get another All Star in exchange.

he is a phenomenal borderline hall of fame level player who brings intensity leadership and lots of special skills and bball IQ. We aren't a top 6 team without him. Which is what we are. The Warriors, cavs, Spurs, are first tier, then clippers, Bulls, and thunder are the last of the contenders.

Heat, are close. Hawks too.


Next tier raptors, Wizards, and a bunch in the west. Pacers. Then garbage teams in transitions.

Dumleavy might help or he might be Mike miller now. Snell is a nice luxury facing the unknown.

 

[The Hawk]

Snell just isn't very good. Neither is Dunleavy. They have the assets to trade for a good SF. They should do it.

 

[Enasic]

Snell just isn't very good. Neither is Dunleavy. They have the assets to trade for a good SF. They should do it.

Define a "good SF."

Also what assets of ours do you think can net us a good SF?

 

[czman]

Snell looks to passive. I don't just mean when he has the ball. He just plays weak. He get pushed around and does not stand firm anywhere. I hate to use a tired cliche, but I don't think Snell has any "dog" in him. He lets people just walk over him.

I am not sure if he has the personality to be a good NBA player. He seems to have the athleticism and the skill not the mentality.

 

[The Hawk]

Define a "good SF."

Also what assets of ours do you think can net us a good SF?

13-15 ppg

6-7 rpg

4-6 apg

As for the assets:

Gasol, Hinrich and a future number one pick

Noah and the Sacramento pick

Gibson and Snell and a future draft pick

Then use whoever is left after that trade to get a decent point guard.

So, do you not think that this team is lacking in both SF and PG while loaded with guys 6'9" and bigger?

 

[The Hawk]

Snell looks to passive. I don't just mean when he has the ball. He just plays weak. He get pushed around and does not stand firm anywhere. I hate to use a tired cliche, but I don't think Snell has any "dog" in him. He lets people just walk over him.

I am not sure if he has the personality to be a good NBA player. He seems to have the athleticism and the skill not the mentality.

Me neither. He's pretty much a one trick pony. Leave him unguarded and he can hurt you from outside. Theoretically I think he could get better but it has to start with his defense and that takes a better attitude than I think he's got.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

Snell just isn't very good. Neither is Dunleavy. They have the assets to trade for a good SF. They should do it.

Define a "good SF."

Also what assets of ours do you think can net us a good SF?

Will Barton out of Denver and Omri Casspi out of Sacramento should be at the top trade target list for small forwards. Both won’t be cheap I’ll tell you that, but either one would help out this team big-time.

Here’s a sleeper: K.J. McDaniels out of Houston. He had a great rookie season last year with the Sixers, but has fallen off the map with the Rockets. He did sign a three-year contract though. I don’t think he’ll cost much at all, but if you give him an opportunity, I think he’ll seize it and really pay off.

 

[Axl Rose]

scoring 9 points on 39% with the Sixers isn't exactly a great rookie season

 

[clonetrooper264]

I like McDaniels as a player, but imo he's not a good enough shooter to help us. Tony can at least hit 3s.

 

[The Hawk]

Will Barton out of Denver and Omri Casspi out of Sacramento should be at the top trade target list for small forwards. Both won’t be cheap I’ll tell you that, but either one would help out this team big-time.

Here’s a sleeper: K.J. McDaniels out of Houston. He had a great rookie season last year with the Sixers, but has fallen off the map with the Rockets. He did sign a three-year contract though. I don’t think he’ll cost much at all, but if you give him an opportunity, I think he’ll seize it and really pay off.

I think Barton is a winner who the Bulls could really use. He would fit well. I don't see Casspi as a fit, though. I think that they have a better guy right now skill wise and he is Niko if they played him at SF more. ANd I know nothing about McDaniels at all other than he sits the bench and is still pretty young.

 

[Enasic]

13-15 ppg

6-7 rpg

4-6 apg

As for the assets:

Gasol, Hinrich and a future number one pick

Noah and the Sacramento pick

Gibson and Snell and a future draft pick

Then use whoever is left after that trade to get a decent point guard.

So, do you not think that this team is lacking in both SF and PG while loaded with guys 6'9" and bigger?

Gotcha.

No, I definitely think we need another wing player but I'm having trouble looking across the league and finding a deal that makes sense. Noah and Gasol are both only signed for this year (for all intents and purposes, Gasol will opt out), and rentals don't exactly net you a whole lot.

Will Barton out of Denver and Omri Casspi out of Sacramento should be at the top trade target list for small forwards. Both won’t be cheap I’ll tell you that, but either one would help out this team big-time.

Here’s a sleeper: K.J. McDaniels out of Houston. He had a great rookie season last year with the Sixers, but has fallen off the map with the Rockets. He did sign a three-year contract though. I don’t think he’ll cost much at all, but if you give him an opportunity, I think he’ll seize it and really pay off.

Barton is a pipe dream. He's having an extremely good season and is making peanuts for the production he's giving. Denver isn't in win now mode so they'll have no interest in Gasol or Noah or even Taj for that matter.

Casspi would be a pretty nice get but again, what would Sac want from us? He too is making peanuts and is a solid player. Not really much beyond that though.

 

[czman]

The move should have been made for Batum in the offseason. Gibson and snell or McDermott would have gotten it done. Might have been able to do a Gibson plus Bairstow and Moore.

At this point is is going to be very hard to make a deal. The Bulls are not ideal trade partners because they don't have good salaries to match with. Plus the Bulls are not a team willing to trade first round picks so we won't see a player plus picks deal.

The problem I see is that the Bulls are probably the 2nd most talented team in the East. The problem likes is most of their talent is older on shorter deals and and redundant. They have a void at one spot. They would probably have to overpay for middle of the road SF.

 

[vinson555]

My only problem, I thought Snell could be a diamond in the rough, and he is still young and still a chance to become this. I feel someone just needs to honestly speak with him and get him on board with believing in himself more. He does that I think he will get better. But being in the NBA is a process. Snell has to just believe I think he belongs and think if he takes when he can do and try to get better, Like Butler, like Lenard on the Spurs... he could be a very good player. He to me can do the two things you need out of a SF or SG, Shoot well and play on ball Defense. With Butler, he can certainly take the less of two wing players of SG and SF. It's all about where he wants to take his game from there. Is he content with where he is at... or does he hunger to prove all you haters wrong? At the end of the his career, he will prove in his play one or the other.

 

[The Hawk]

God bless the guy but he just cannot take it inside and finish. I felt sorry for him actually but his hands and coordination are not at an NBA level. He also is not very strong and gets knocked around a lot by the opposition SGs and SFs.

 

[ursamajor]

Yeah, not a Snell fan. He is turnover prone. Struggles to make contested jump shots. Takes a LONG time to get the ball off on catch and shoots. Plays poor team defense (he really looks lost out there). Has a very low BBall IQ.

The guy really does not belong in the NBA.

Now MDJ, plays solid team defense (and stays within the concepts), and gets his hands in passing lanes. Is one of the better 3 point shooters in the league, and has a quick release, and gets the ball up and out FAST, even on poor passes. Can still knock down shots anywhere on the court, at a nice rate, even if the look is not great. Makes the smart pass. Is good at getting under his man's skin. He helps with spacing, as you absolutely cannot leave him alone in the corner. He will never be accused of being a great athlete, but he has as high a BBall IQ as they come. Dude is an excellent role player.

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[ursamajor]

God bless the guy but he just cannot take it inside and finish. I felt sorry for him actually but his hands and coordination are not at an NBA level. He also is not very strong and gets knocked around a lot by the opposition SGs and SFs.

I dread seeming him try to put the ball on the floor, and attack the rim. I also cringe every time he tries to pass the ball inside of the 3 point line. Terrible.

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[Scoot26]

A redditors comments concerning Tony Snell:

I've been a big downer on Tony Snell this year, and there's been a lot of disagreement by other Bulls fans in this sub. So I decided to back this up with some stats.

He's playing more minutes than ever before, almost 22 per game, vs 19 last year and 16 the year before.

Per 36 minutes: 10points (career low), 2.6 pf (career high), 1.6 TOV (career high), .5 stl (career low), 1.5 ast (career low), 5.5 RB (career high).

Shooting percentages: 2P - 37.1%, 3P - 39.6%, EFG - 46.5%. His EFG% is also a career low, and a regression from last year where he shot 52.7%.

Advanced stats: -.2 VORP (Last year was +.2), BPM -3.1 (career low), WS/48 .037 (career low, .082 last year), TOV% 13.5 (career high).

PER - 6.9 (6.9!!!!!) Also a career low.

He is shooting 41% from 0-3 feet (previous low rookie year was 55%, last year was 67%).


Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/snellto01.html
Tl;dr Tony Snell has regressed in almost every area except Rebounding with a slight improvement, and an uptick in 3P%, everywhere else he is at career lows, worse than his rookie year.

 

[Enasic]

jesus...

 

[clonetrooper264]

Less wins for Simmons?