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Tim Treadwell wasn't the trainer that was killed. He was the one who was half eaten by grizzlies in Alaska along with his girlfriend. He spent 13 years with them. He got arrogant and careless towards the end.[/quote]



It was Tony that posted that. He was the Idiot that wasn't even supposed to be there. When they killed the Bear they supposedly found part of him inside it. He got what he deserved IMO. Making friends with Wild Grizzly Bears. What a fucking idiot!
 

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[quote name="LordKOTL"]Human with a weapon=fighting chance.



Human without a weapon=talking meat.



It helps to remember this.[/quote]





I was more worried about the Cats most of the time. They get up to 200lbs and are very common. I doubt I'd have been able to Kill a full grown, pissed off Grizzly, but like you said I had nine shots to give me a "fighting chance"......



Probably lucky all I found was Bear shit on my adventure to take pictures of one in the wild!
 

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[quote name="R K"]





I was more worried about the Cats most of the time. They get up to 200lbs and are very common. I doubt I'd have been able to Kill a full grown, pissed off Grizzly, but like you said I had nine shots to give me a "fighting chance"......



Probably lucky all I found was Bear shit on my adventure to take pictures of one in the wild![/quote]

When I was at Yellowstone a few years back, one of the rangers told Miška and I that the Bison were more dangerous in terms of human injuries/fatalities than Grizzlies.



As such, we both gave them a VERY wide berth...despite a lot of the yuppie scum disregarding the rangers' instructions to keep clear.



Of course, our misanthropy was hoping that someone that ignored the rangers would be gored and caught on film for submission to the darwin awards.
 

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[quote name="Stu Grimson"]What Bri said... you're never going to TAME a wild animal, it simply can't happen. Instincts take over sometimes. Look at bear trainers who have raised grizzlies from the time they were Cubs and end up getting killed by the same animal.[/quote]





Yes you can, it just takes thousands of years. i.e. Dogs. While certain breeds can be dangerous, you are hard pressed to find a loyal well tempered breed that will actually turn on its owner.



My former dogs never minded people at all,they were on the other hand very protective of us from other dogs. When dogs would approach us at the dog park one of our dogs would get real nervous and un easy and get in between the other dog and us, the little one would flat out charge and snap and any other dogs got in our area of operations, forcing us to have to pick her up if other dogs were around.
 

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[quote name="LordKOTL"]

When I was at Yellowstone a few years back, one of the rangers told Miška and I that the Bison were more dangerous in terms of human injuries/fatalities than Grizzlies.



As such, we both gave them a VERY wide berth...despite a lot of the yuppie scum disregarding the rangers' instructions to keep clear.



Of course, our misanthropy was hoping that someone that ignored the rangers would be gored and caught on film for submission to the darwin awards.[/quote]

Wasn't there a bison attack 6-12 months ago? It was caught on video I believe. Some dumbass threw something at it.



Edit: Apparently it was in July.

Here's the story

http://www.examiner.com/outdoor-recreation-in-columbus/bison-attack-yellowstone-park-provoked

The video is at the bottom.
 

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Yes you can, it just takes thousands of years. i.e. Dogs. While certain breeds can be dangerous, you are hard pressed to find a loyal well tempered breed that will actually turn on its owner.



My former dogs never minded people at all,they were on the other hand very protective of us from other dogs. When dogs would approach us at the dog park one of our dogs would get real nervous and un easy and get in between the other dog and us, the little one would flat out charge and snap and any other dogs got in our area of operations, forcing us to have to pick her up if other dogs were around.[/quote]



Dogs are a totally different story, IMO. They are a social species by their nature, and that's what made them easier to domesticate. After enough time around humans, they basically saw them as part of their pack. It's why we were able to domesticate some cats as well, but domesticating a species basically means killing any member of that species at the first hint of aggression towards humans. Basically breeding the aggression out of them. I don't think you could ever domesticate an animal like a bear, or certain cats, and other animals that aren't social by nature.



You still see dogs and cats that show their primal instincts and are aggressive towards non-family, and other animals, because you can never completely breed that out of them. My husky/lab mix is extremely defensive when it comes to my family/house. She goes apeshit whenever a stranger approaches the doors/windows of the house or the gate of the back yard. So much so that the hair on her back stands straight up on end. You can clearly see her instincts take over when it comes to protecting her "pack". She settles down once she sees they are friends or family, and once you've been over a couple times and she knows your smell, that reaction is completely gone and she is the polar opposite.



She's only like that around our house, and whenever we go for walks, that instinct pretty much disappears and she's mellow. Once she has met you a couple times, she's the most friendly dog in the world. She's an alpha female through and through. She runs shit when it comes to my other two dogs, and my German Shepherd puppy follows her around like an administrative assistant. :lol: But, when it comes to the human members of our family, she's as loyal and gentle as can be. She's so gentle that we can actually have my 18 month old nephew give her bones. On the other hand, I feel sorry for anyone that ever tries to break into our house or harm our family. She'd run them off in a second and they would probably lose a hand.
 

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Dogs are a totally different story, IMO. They are a social species by their nature, and that's what made them easier to domesticate. After enough time around humans, they basically saw them as part of their pack. It's why we were able to domesticate some cats as well, but domesticating a species basically means killing any member of that species at the first hint of aggression towards humans. Basically breeding the aggression out of them. I don't think you could ever domesticate an animal like a bear, or certain cats, and other animals that aren't social by nature.



You still see dogs and cats that show their primal instincts and are aggressive towards non-family, and other animals, because you can never completely breed that out of them. My husky/lab mix is extremely defensive when it comes to my family/house. She goes apeshit whenever a stranger approaches the doors/windows of the house or the gate of the back yard. So much so that the hair on her back stands straight up on end. You can clearly see her instincts take over when it comes to protecting her "pack". She settles down once she sees they are friends or family, and once you've been over a couple times and she knows your smell, that reaction is completely gone and she is the polar opposite.



She's only like that around our house, and whenever we go for walks, that instinct pretty much disappears and she's mellow. Once she has met you a couple times, she's the most friendly dog in the world. She's an alpha female through and through. She runs shit when it comes to my other two dogs, and my German Shepherd puppy follows her around like an administrative assistant. :lol: But, when it comes to the human members of our family, she's as loyal and gentle as can be. She's so gentle that we can actually have my 18 month old nephew give her bones. On the other hand, I feel sorry for anyone that ever tries to break into our house or harm our family. She'd run them off in a second and they would probably lose a hand.[/quote]



I have the same thing with my lab at home. She is great with the family. My 20 month old son bosses her around. Yet, she will go into F you up mode if she feels there is danger. Hair stands on end on her neck and down her back. Looks pretty damn good.



Only problem I have had was a coyote was out in front of my house while I was walking her one morning...she wanted to "play" with the yote and I had to chase him away.
 

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I was more worried about the Cats most of the time. They get up to 200lbs and are very common. I doubt I'd have been able to Kill a full grown, pissed off Grizzly, but like you said I had nine shots to give me a "fighting chance"......



Probably lucky all I found was Bear shit on my adventure to take pictures of one in the wild![/quote]



If you see the cat...before he gets you...usually you can scare them off. They are ambush predators. Yet, I wouldn't be out in the "wild" like that without a sidearm.
 

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If you see the cat...before he gets you...usually you can scare them off. They are ambush predators. Yet, I wouldn't be out in the "wild" like that without a sidearm.[/quote]





Yea out there it's very rocky though. They can hide and stalk reletively easy. There is a 240lb Cat on the wall at the NRA range in town. He was stalking two fishermen. One fo the fishermen happened to have a 308 with him.



they actually have a Spring and Fall hunting season for them to attempt keeping the population in check. They were starting that with the Wolves too before some idiot Judge made a strange ruling and put them back on the endagered list. It's now a Federal Offense to shoot a wolve again. Montana is pissed.
 

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Yea out there it's very rocky though. They can hide and stalk reletively easy. There is a 240lb Cat on the wall at the NRA range in town. He was stalking two fishermen. One fo the fishermen happened to have a 308 with him.



they actually have a Spring and Fall hunting season for them to attempt keeping the population in check. They were starting that with the Wolves too before some idiot Judge made a strange ruling and put them back on the endagered list. It's now a Federal Offense to shoot a wolve again. Montana is pissed.[/quote]



I would rather go up against the cat then the wolf. Biggest reason for that...the cats alone...the wolf has a pack with them.



Yeah, a .308 does take care of the kitty.
 

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You'll never see a Wolf though. Or chances are very slim.



They moved two Grizzly's from White Fish Montana to about 50 miles south of my place in the Cabinet Mountains. Trying to bolster the Cabinet Mountain bear population.



In 6 days they did the 80 miles back to the White Fish, Glacier National Park area!!



They even crossed US 2 to get there. I so wanted to find a Grizzly and take pictures of it. I rode that 4 x 4 for days looking for one.
 

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[quote name="R K"]You'll never see a Wolf though. Or chances are very slim.



They moved two Grizzly's from White Fish Montana to about 50 miles south of my place in the Cabinet Mountains. Trying to bolster the Cabinet Mountain bear population.



In 6 days they did the 80 miles back to the White Fish, Glacier National Park area!!



They even crossed US 2 to get there. I so wanted to find a Grizzly and take pictures of it. I rode that 4 x 4 for days looking for one.[/quote]



Sorry, I will take pics of the animals at the zoo.



your talking an apex predator in his realm. I understand the firearms...but I would not trust being stalked by one of those bears.



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThZ8dc2B8E[/youtube]
 

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[quote name="R K"]the zoo is not the same thing!![/quote]



That is for sure.
 

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You won't catch me going out and looking for any of those predators, firearm or not. :lol:
 

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Not a real stray puppy.



http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-15749633/man-lives-with-croc-for-20-years-22154983

Damn croc is gonna eat him



Ron, now you know why it's easy for those nature photogs to capture the moment.

wildlife-films-staged-producer-comes-clean-22179614
 

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[quote name="LordKOTL"]Human with a weapon=fighting chance.



Human without a weapon=talking meat.



It helps to remember this.[/quote]

Well said. Anyone who goes into a cage with a wild animal is stupidity. I was at Gatorland a few years ago and watching 2 trainers in the crocodile pit. One guy got cornered by 3 crocs and had to run up the fence to get out of the way. Stupid! You couldnt' pay me enough to do these jobs.
 

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