Trey Lance is not Trubisky

[Montucky]

Yeah, tape I've seen on Lance highlights his running mostly. I'd have to dig around more.

I should be one of those scenarios where the fan base can let Lance sit for a year...but we know after 3 games with Dalton, they'll be slinging shit about, "Start Lance now!!"

If poor play doesn't get Andy Dalton benched the inevitable blindside decapitation because Charles Leno Jr. literally can't play left tackle in the NFL will.

 

[vinson555]

I mean far as the QB goes, does it really matter we get a QB the Oline will be in Question. Fix the Oline, the QB will be in question. Nearly impossible to die down the question of what to do as far as fix what? Or t this point, impossible to have them both fixed because Bears lack the Cap/draft picks to get the top tier of anything. Which is why I have always been a fan of deep draft, get more picks not less.

I think if they trade down in round 1 and pick up a few lates or just a 2nd, maybe do it again to get a 3rd or 4th (I admit, not sure how they value picks but going for numbers more so than rounds.) It would at least give the bears more shots at picking up a few starting sleepers, which on a cap strapped team like the Bears, you need to at least have more young talent to get better.

I know, not too many fans of the trade down method, and if there is a steal at 20, by all means get your guy Bears, but if he'd not there, this a draft considered where the JA method of drafting, might not be as bad of the thing...

But no matter how this goes, Bears just need to hit rounds 1-3 and I'll even throw round 5 needing to be a hit. Find you another Mooney/ Jackson mid round.

 

[botfly10]

Exactly!!!! We all are letting the failure of Trubisky cloud our view of Trey Lance.

yeah, I was making a joke

 

[Mdbearz]

yeah, I was making a joke

I should have known...you are well known for your love of Mahomes.....

 

[BearClaw55]

Built in excuse...lol.

"We finished 9-7 and missed the playoffs with Crappy Dalton. Imagine what we could do with "our guy." Matt didn't ask for Mitch."

It’s always an excuse. That’s the reason the Bears miss on so many QBs. They love average to below QBs (it seems safe and Bearsy)

 

[Mdbearz]

Yeah, tape I've seen on Lance highlights his running mostly. I'd have to dig around more.

I should be one of those scenarios where the fan base can let Lance sit for a year...but we know after 3 games with Dalton, they'll be slinging shit about, "Start Lance now!!"

The thing about Lance is that if you put together a plan that takes advantage of his feet, you really could put him on the field early....but we are talking about Nagy, the guy that forgot that Trubisky even had feet.

 

[botfly10]

I should have known...you are well known for your love of Mahomes.....

i mean, I was serious about the cutler/mahomes thing

but joking that you can transfer any kind of lesson there to other qbs

cause I dont think you can

and yes, I am in love with mahomes

 

[Anytime23]

opinion...but blatantly obvious, Watson had done everything that was asked of him for 3 years at the highest level of college football, but the Bears pick Trubisky?

Jay Cutler was the Bears QB for 20 games under Ryan Pace, a GM that inherited him. I’m sorry but even I, someone who probably hates Pace more than anyone on this board can’t get behind this flawed logic.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Pace attended Trey Lance's pro day in person. He is definitely not off the board. I actually think he is option #1 for this staff of the belief that they are hoping he falls enough to where they can make a move up for him. Bears probably targeting picks #8-#12 for a QB.

 

[botfly10]

I sure hope that is the plan for any QB we take this year, but I don't think that Lance gets all the way to 20, I think if he falls out of the top ten there will be flurry of trade action trying to land him.

But at last, I am no GM/scout

*alas

 

[run and shoot]

The thing about Lance is that if you put together a plan that takes advantage of his feet, you really could put him on the field early....but we are talking about Nagy, the guy that forgot that Trubisky even had feet.

Well he also had the mental acuity to not throw an int.

 

[Mdbearz]

Well he also had the mental acuity to not throw an int.

I agree that is a big deal, because he has a strong arm, and guys with heat typically force the ball.

I really think he could be a potential star in the NFL, and I would be very happy if the Bears landed him.

 

[Mdbearz]

*alas

thanks....

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Trey Lance is completely off my board in round 1. All I see is a guy running around. No reading defenses. No decision making. And he only played one game last year. And people want to take him top 5? FUUUUUUUUUCK THAT.

Not saying the kid is undraftable. He's got a huge arm and runs like a deer. But round 1? Hell no. Biggest QB risk in the draft IMO. 10% chance of being a super star and 90% chance of a bust.

 

[rawdawg]

Trey Lance is completely off my board in round 1. All I see is a guy running around. No reading defenses. No decision making. And he only played one game last year. And people want to take him top 5? FUUUUUUUUUCK THAT.

Not saying the kid is undraftable. He's got a huge arm and runs like a deer. But round 1? Hell no. Biggest QB risk in the draft IMO. 10% chance of being a super star and 90% chance of a bust.

I have never disagreed with anything more than this.

 

[rawdawg]

I would not have a problem taking Lance at 20. However, for me he would/should sit the whole year and just learn. If he has that opportunity then the kid has a chance to be special. I am in no way comparing him to Mahomes but Pat mahomes benefitted from being able to sit a whole year and learn. Aaron Rogers had the same opportunity.

I'm not going to lie and say I'm not biased toward Lance, because I like him a lot. But I hear a lot of people say this, and there's just nothing to backup this stuff.

1. How exactly does a QB learn from sitting? None of us have ever been NFL players, but we all have jobs. I know I personally learn a new job by actually doing that job. What can a QB learn by watching that can't be learned by doing?

2. Why is it that Lance specifically should sit a year? Is it age? Because Winston threw for 4000 yards at 21. Herbert had a record setting year at 22. Lance will be 21 in May. Is it lack of experience? 17 college starts. Same # of starts as Mac Jones, yet I've never read anyone say he needs to sit a year. People are talking about him taking over Washington or NE and leading them to the playoffs over Newton and Fitzpatrick.

3. How do we know Mahomes and Rodgers benefitted from sitting? There's no proof that it's a benefit and not just simply delaying great QB play. Josh Allen didn't sit a year. Cam Newton w/ 1 year starting didn't have to sit a year. Kyler didn't, etc. Mitch wasn't ruined because he only sat 4 games. Sitting 12 more games wasn't going to magically teach him how to read a defense.

Young and experienced QBs play right away all the time, and sometimes play well. 3-year starters sometimes play right away all the time, and sometimes they suck. Sometimes small college players come in and play well. Sometimes Power 5 QBs come in and suck. You can't make that determination on what a player "needs" until you actually get that player in camp. There's no set rules based on an individual's demographics that says what to do with them.

 

[Mdbearz]

Trey Lance is completely off my board in round 1. All I see is a guy running around. No reading defenses. No decision making. And he only played one game last year. And people want to take him top 5? FUUUUUUUUUCK THAT.

Not saying the kid is undraftable. He's got a huge arm and runs like a deer. But round 1? Hell no. Biggest QB risk in the draft IMO. 10% chance of being a super star and 90% chance of a bust.

I'm not saying he is not a risk, but to classify him as unable to read defenses or make decisions seems a bit unfair. He operated from a scheme that is one of the most Pro-style offenses in all of college. He also threw 28 TDs and ZERO INTs in the 1 full season that he did have.

He did run for 1,100 yard and have 14 TD, but a majority of that was designed plays because he is built like a brick shit house.

The reason he only played 1 game last year was because that is all the University was willing to do, during the Pandemic.

Again, I know he is a risk, but remember we are picking at 20, and we are not in a position that we can expect to be picky. So I was saying if he drops out of the top 10 (I actually expect him to be picked by the Panthers at 7).

I may be just looking at my experience with my second team the Ravens, and see him as a better passer version of Lamar Jackson.

I want the Bears to roll the dice and not go with the safe pick!!!

 

[Aesopian]

 

[MurrDogg34]

opinion...but blatantly obvious, Watson had done everything that was asked of him for 3 years at the highest level of college football, but the Bears pick Trubisky?

Watson want considered a gunslinger at all. If you want to use this argument, it should be for Mahomes. This is who the Bears would have passed on because he was a gunslinger.