Trubisky or Garoppolo Right Now.

[nc0gnet0]

Is Jimmy Garoppolo after being in the league for 4 years better at this point than rookie Mitch Trubisky? Sure.

But I tell you what, I don't think it's by much and Mitch 3-4 years will be better than Jimmy G is right now.

So, Jimmy won't be better in 3-4 years? What kind of logic is that anyways? Who will be better with 6 games of NFL experience? 12? 16? 32?

As of right now, any betting man would pick JG over Mitch on all three. Not saying that it will for sure work out that way, but if Vegas had to make the odds, that is how it would play out.

 

[Issues]

Hi guys...

Full disclosure I'm a long time Niners fan and came here to see what you guys thought of Jimmy G yesterday. Who you were rooting for will always paint your perspective so let me respond just a bit to some of the things I've read here. One of my best friends BTW is a Bears fan so was looking forward to having this exact same conversation with him, but that hasn't happened yet. You may or may not be interested in the the opinion of an outsider and if not, no worries.

1) First off, let me say that while many in the football world thought the Bears got fleeced on the trade, I didn't think that to be the case at all. They knew the 49ers weren't going to take Trubisky as evidenced by the comment to Paraag Marathe when he asked who they were going to take "I don't think you will be upset with our pick". The Bears had been open for business publicly to trade down in the draft while privately speaking with the Niners...IE, they knew who was trying to move up and what those packages looked like. If Trubisky is the guy for Chicago, I don't think it was a bad trade at all. They played those other teams by letting them think there was a chance they could get Trubisky at three knowing all the while he wouldn't be and making it seem like the move up to 2 was unnecessary.

2) Call me a homer, but I was on Cloud Nine yesterday. It didn't escape my attention that the Bears the Niners were playing weren't exactly the '85 Bears, but the SPEED at which Jimmy made decisions and got the ball out was what had my head spinning. The Niners have 2 very good tackles (Staley, Brown) but the interior 3 are trash. I watched poor CJ Beathard get beaten to a pulp for a month. Some of what you all are saying about no pressure and he had all day really isn't that accurate. A number of his throws where under duress and often he avoided pressure with his quick release. He is just more decisive and gets the ball out faster than I've seen in decades in SF.

3) I wouldn't judge Trubisky with this staff either. I'd also agree that the comparison is unfair. Jimmy has fewer starts than Trubisky, but he did practice with Brady, learn from Belichick, and now has Kyle Shanahan. Trubisky has none of that. Additionally...and I'm surprised no one mentioned this...BEFORE they were drafted Trubisky started ONE season. Jimmy started four full years. Jimmy is new to the offense and despite what people here say, that IS a big deal. In particular with Kyle. That system is WAY complex which is one of the reasons Ryan struggled with it in year one in Atlanta and then once he got it he took off in year 2.

In spite of that though Jimmy has taken far more NFL practice snaps than Trubisky has.

4) The "he didn't throw a TD and threw and INT" thing or the comp % argument: True, true and true...but lets be real for a sec. The INT was NOT on him. Fuller made a damn good play and ripped the ball away from Murphy. Technically its an INT but it looked more like a fumble. The TDs? It happens. team game and Niners really don't have any weapons. For his career though Jimmy has 6 TDs and 1 INT so I'm not exactly concerned. He threw one last week. The Comp%? Really? Jimmy completed 70% of his passes for 293 yards...7.9 per attempt. Trubisky has 102 yards at 6.8 yards per attempt. You guys act like 70% is bad. If Murphy doesn't lose the ball and Hyde doesn't drop a ball right in his hands he completes 75% of his passes. I'm not selling that its actually 75% BTW, I'm saying that the sample sizes are so small that very little could radically change the numbers.

Jimmy was also consistently pushing the ball further down the field.

5) WRs: I can't speak intelligently (insert joke here) about the Bears WR situation, but the 49ers is pretty damn bad. While you may think the Niners are better, both Goodwin and Taylor had the best games of their entire career yesterday. Taylor I think has a future as a Wes Welker/Danny Amendola type, but Goodwin is mostly a deep "stretch the field" type. Pierre Garcon is their best WR and he's out for the year.

6) Trubisky: Finally, I wouldn't give up on him either. I liked him in the draft but I didn't want the 49ers to take him for 2 reasons...a) they had too many other needs, b) I thought it was too high to take a guy with so few college starts. From a physical perspective I thought he was great.

I dunno how you guys feel but I get the feeling Fox will be done after the season. If they can get a good offensive mind as a HC or at least a good OC, I think he's got all the physical traits you could ask for.

Peace. See you next year at Levis.

OK Thanks

 

[Marvin49]

OK Thanks

You're welcome.

 

[Monster]

Will be interesting to compare them during next season with a pre-season and camp under their belts.
Thought Jimmy looked pretty good given the time he’s been there.
But he looked good replacing Brady prior to injury.

 

[Bear Pride]

Is this really happening? Is this really an argument/debate? Sheesh ...

Anyone that takes anything away from this game is plain dumb. If Jimmy didn't look better than Tru at this point, then he should hang up the cleats. You don't think sitting and learning for 3.5 years under Brady, Belicheck, and McDanials would help him a little to a QB that was thrown into the starting role on a team with no WR's is different?

Jesus people! Tru's had 8 starts on a shitty offense, with lousy playing calling, after 13 starts in College. WTF do people expect? Look at the jump Wentz made in his 2nd year after a lot of College experience.

 

[SugarWalls]

Some of you guys are still so butt hurt over the trubisky pick it’s absolutely pathetic. The arguments that trubisky is obviously worse than *insert qb here* is not only pathetic, but it is also completely meaningless. This is probably the worst argument yet.... get laid or something.

 

[iffybiz]

So a bunch of you are going to be 49ers fans now? Mitch is here, Jimmy isn’t, deal with it or leave, your choice.


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[BaBaBlacksheep]

So a bunch of you are going to be 49ers fans now? Mitch is here, Jimmy isn’t, deal with it or leave, your choice.


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Or the Texans.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I'm kind of surprised no one has mentioned that if you liked Jimmy G so much this week... The coach mostly responsible for developing him will be available.

 

[Calabis]

Your point was that sitting on the bench for three years is somehow magic for a young QB, it's a flawed point, a very flawed point. Mitch had the advantage in preparation, familiarity, and actual game time. This is a greater advantage then holding a clip board for three years, just deal with it. JG's 3.5 years may allow him to progress faster, but that's not the topic of discussion, only this one game is, and JG, hands down, looked better than Mitch.

Lmao at it being magic....how about having exp helps the process of living in the NFL....also no pressure to come in and save a franchise...also could work on his mechanics and nothing expected, also like i said get use to the speed and not be like oh fuck while try to process everything else....every freaking job shows u get better with exp....well except being a Bears QB....7 games and u better be a stud throwing 15 times and on pathetic down and distance

You CBMB GMs are talking shit about a guy with 7 nfl games under his belt, like u figured him out. You havent figured out shit....time will tell if he becomes good or not and year 3 will be the time.

Also like I said dumb fucking comparison...JG vs Tribs, but whatever floats ur boat.

 

[Calabis]

Is this really happening? Is this really an argument/debate? Sheesh ...

Anyone that takes anything away from this game is plain dumb. If Jimmy didn't look better than Tru at this point, then he should hang up the cleats. You don't think sitting and learning for 3.5 years under Brady, Belicheck, and McDanials would help him a little to a QB that was thrown into the starting role on a team with no WR's is different?

Jesus people! Tru's had 8 starts on a shitty offense, with lousy playing calling, after 13 starts in College. WTF do people expect? Look at the jump Wentz made in his 2nd year after a lot of College experience.

Apparently none of that helped JG....yesterday was his first time ever in the NFL

 

[number51]

Apparently none of that helped JG....yesterday was his first time ever in the NFL

Apparently starting his eighth game in the same system did nothing to help Trubisky.... yesterday was his first time ever starting in that system. He did have that advantage over JG, first start in a new system.

It really is okay to compare and contrast different players, teams, coaches, it's at the center of most sports conversations. Some people on CCS have forgotten that, to the point of freaking out over the mention of another teams QB. I'll bet Trubisky would welcome comparisons, and not shrink from them, he seems like a tough kid, unlike some posters here, learn from Mitchell toughen up.

 

[MakeMyDay]

Hi guys...

Full disclosure I'm a long time Niners fan and came here to see what you guys thought of Jimmy G yesterday. Who you were rooting for will always paint your perspective so let me respond just a bit to some of the things I've read here. One of my best friends BTW is a Bears fan so was looking forward to having this exact same conversation with him, but that hasn't happened yet. You may or may not be interested in the the opinion of an outsider and if not, no worries.

1) First off, let me say that while many in the football world thought the Bears got fleeced on the trade, I didn't think that to be the case at all. They knew the 49ers weren't going to take Trubisky as evidenced by the comment to Paraag Marathe when he asked who they were going to take "I don't think you will be upset with our pick". The Bears had been open for business publicly to trade down in the draft while privately speaking with the Niners...IE, they knew who was trying to move up and what those packages looked like. If Trubisky is the guy for Chicago, I don't think it was a bad trade at all. They played those other teams by letting them think there was a chance they could get Trubisky at three knowing all the while he wouldn't be and making it seem like the move up to 2 was unnecessary.

2) Call me a homer, but I was on Cloud Nine yesterday. It didn't escape my attention that the Bears the Niners were playing weren't exactly the '85 Bears, but the SPEED at which Jimmy made decisions and got the ball out was what had my head spinning. The Niners have 2 very good tackles (Staley, Brown) but the interior 3 are trash. I watched poor CJ Beathard get beaten to a pulp for a month. Some of what you all are saying about no pressure and he had all day really isn't that accurate. A number of his throws where under duress and often he avoided pressure with his quick release. He is just more decisive and gets the ball out faster than I've seen in decades in SF.

3) I wouldn't judge Trubisky with this staff either. I'd also agree that the comparison is unfair. Jimmy has fewer starts than Trubisky, but he did practice with Brady, learn from Belichick, and now has Kyle Shanahan. Trubisky has none of that. Additionally...and I'm surprised no one mentioned this...BEFORE they were drafted Trubisky started ONE season. Jimmy started four full years. Jimmy is new to the offense and despite what people here say, that IS a big deal. In particular with Kyle. That system is WAY complex which is one of the reasons Ryan struggled with it in year one in Atlanta and then once he got it he took off in year 2.

In spite of that though Jimmy has taken far more NFL practice snaps than Trubisky has.

4) The "he didn't throw a TD and threw and INT" thing or the comp % argument: True, true and true...but lets be real for a sec. The INT was NOT on him. Fuller made a damn good play and ripped the ball away from Murphy. Technically its an INT but it looked more like a fumble. The TDs? It happens. team game and Niners really don't have any weapons. For his career though Jimmy has 6 TDs and 1 INT so I'm not exactly concerned. He threw one last week. The Comp%? Really? Jimmy completed 70% of his passes for 293 yards...7.9 per attempt. Trubisky has 102 yards at 6.8 yards per attempt. You guys act like 70% is bad. If Murphy doesn't lose the ball and Hyde doesn't drop a ball right in his hands he completes 75% of his passes. I'm not selling that its actually 75% BTW, I'm saying that the sample sizes are so small that very little could radically change the numbers.

Jimmy was also consistently pushing the ball further down the field.

5) WRs: I can't speak intelligently (insert joke here) about the Bears WR situation, but the 49ers is pretty damn bad. While you may think the Niners are better, both Goodwin and Taylor had the best games of their entire career yesterday. Taylor I think has a future as a Wes Welker/Danny Amendola type, but Goodwin is mostly a deep "stretch the field" type. Pierre Garcon is their best WR and he's out for the year.

6) Trubisky: Finally, I wouldn't give up on him either. I liked him in the draft but I didn't want the 49ers to take him for 2 reasons...a) they had too many other needs, b) I thought it was too high to take a guy with so few college starts. From a physical perspective I thought he was great.

I dunno how you guys feel but I get the feeling Fox will be done after the season. If they can get a good offensive mind as a HC or at least a good OC, I think he's got all the physical traits you could ask for.

Peace. See you next year at Levis.

First I don't think he is a bad QB - But I don't know if he is good either...Don't think anyone does

Second - As far as whom got the better part of the deal - We have Tribusky under contract for the next 4 yrs - 9ers gave up a second rounder and the only QB under contract is CJ Beathard - Garoppolo is not under contract next year-

As it stands now you have earned the right to pay franchise price for a guy that scored 5 FG against a depleted defense...

In a nut shell you haven't paid for him yet - He could say No Thanks to your shit show and you would have to franchise him with at least Kirk Cousins money (+ add whatever up charge)

For perspective

"Kirk Cousins signed a 1 year, $23,943,600 contract with the Washington Redskins, including an average annual salary of $23,943,600. In 2017, Cousins will earn a base salary of $23,943,600, while carrying a cap hit of $23,943,600 and a dead cap value of $23,943,600."

So yea I like our position much much better because JG is every bit as unproven as our guy and a track record as fragile for a shit ton more money

Hope it works for you guys- but there is something to be said about building through the draft - Our guy is way to young to know what we have- and you guys are going to pay a very high price for a relative unknown

We just paid 14 Mil for a guy that played 4 games and will be cut next year...

 

[Calabis]

Apparently starting his eighth game in the same system did nothing to help Trubisky.... yesterday was his first time ever starting in that system. He did have that advantage over JG, first start in a new system.

It really is okay to compare and contrast different players, teams, coaches, it's at the center of most sports conversations. Some people on CCS have forgotten that, to the point of freaking out over the mention of another teams QB. I'll bet Trubisky would welcome comparisons, and not shrink from them, he seems like a tough kid, unlike some posters here, learn from Mitchell toughen up.

Good got damn...how the hell does he have an advantage? Its obvious you didnt read what a NFL QB said about same play different terminology...he calls two plays that are the same with different language...also the excerpts of 80% of the plays being same in NFL.....but 3.5 years of learning that is worse than 7 whole games. Incredible.

Now lets add coaching...fuck no, receivers...hell no, game plan...nope. Tribs totally has advantage smh.

 

[onebud34]

JG seems to be a lot quicker at going through his progressions and is able to hit his hot read.

Shows how shitty the coaching staff really is. Trubisky really has his work cut out for him this offseason


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[Tjodalv]

Wait, you mean to tell me that a 4th year pro is more acclimated than a rookie? hmy:

 

[Calabis]

I guess a guy who did it knows nothing
Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench behind Brett Favre for three years before he took over and became the highest-rated passer in NFL history.

He believes that apprenticeship benefited him as it can Chicago Bears rookie quarterback Mitch Trubisky.

A lot of it's mental," Rodgers said. "Obviously getting picked in the first round, the physical aspects were there with Mitch. (He) had a good preseason, made a lot of plays, ran around, did some good things from what I saw.

"But mentally it takes awhile to learn the offense and, more importantly, start to learn defenses and put together fronts with pressures and coverages and start to see some different things on film.

"The game is a little different preseason to regular season. A lot of different levels of preparation go into it."

Despite not playing, Rodgers said he found ways to improve, like throwing to practice squad players and running the scout team during the week.

Trubisky has mentioned the same things when asked about his ability to grow without actually playing in games.

"I valued all of it at the time," Rodgers said. "In 2005, I don't think the quarterbacks were as ready to play as maybe some of the guys are now. And so, for me, it was just about learning, taking some more time, getting my body in great shape.

"I was very thankful for the opportunity to grow, but I was never bitter in the moment. I was always excited about every day of practice and excited about going through my preparation during the week to trying to give maybe one little nugget to Brett during the week that might help him play better on Sunday."

Sitting behind Brees for two seasons, Rivers said he got an understanding of how to be a quarterback in the NFL.

"The biggest thing I learned from him as a young player was really how to be a pro and how to prepare," Rivers said. "He had a very strict routine that he followed, and I don’t have the same one.


But you GMs are right...JG learned nothing behind Brady or improved..he is equal to 7 game Tribs with Glennon to learn from

 

[Calabis]

Wait, you mean to tell me that a 4th year pro is more acclimated than a rookie? hmy:

No...not on here. It means nada

 

[number51]

Good got damn...how the hell does he have an advantage? Its obvious you didnt read what a NFL QB said about same play different terminology...he calls two plays that are the same with different language...also the excerpts of 80% of the plays being same in NFL.....but 3.5 years of learning that is worse than 7 whole games. Incredible.

Now lets add coaching...fuck no, receivers...hell no, game plan...nope. Tribs totally has advantage smh.

Calm down.
It's okay to compare QB, WR's, and coaches. The Bears were favored to win, JG had a nice game and SF got the win. 49ers get their second win of the season, with a new QB and they did it on the road. That is very impressive and bodes well for him (and the 49ers if they sign him) moving forward. Trubisky did not look very good, he's a tough kid and has lots of work ahead of him. I would love to see MT have a signature game in the last 4 weeks, something to set the tone for the off season and 2018. Something that could catch the eyes of potential coaches, give then a reason to come to Chicago.

Some guys are just way to knee jerk protective about anything negative on MT, every Bears fan wants him to succeed, pointing out a problem is not the same as calling him a bust or rooting against him. Less drama guys.

 

[Calabis]

Calm down.
It's okay to compare QB, WR's, and coaches. The Bears were favored to win, JG had a nice game and SF got the win. 49ers get their second win of the season, with a new QB and they did it on the road. That is very impressive and bodes well for him (and the 49ers if they sign him) moving forward. Trubisky did not look very good, he's a tough kid and has lots of work ahead of him. I would love to see MT have a signature game in the last 4 weeks, something to set the tone for the off season and 2018. Something that could catch the eyes of potential coaches, give then a reason to come to Chicago.

Some guys are just way to knee jerk protective about anything negative on MT, every Bears fan wants him to succeed, pointing out a problem is not the same as calling him a bust or rooting against him. Less drama guys.

Lmao...Mitch has a 117 rating and 1 TD on 15 throws and according to you he didnt look good...wow. Your getting comical with this crap. Knee jerk? How about the comparison to a QB with 3.5 years in the league, that has been highly touted by NFL people and morons calling Mitch a bust 7 games in.

Does Mitch need to improve....umm hell yeah and hopefully je does a ton...but 7 games in he looks fine to me and this staff is fucking the pooch developing him. He should be throwing 25 times a game at the very least, so he can fuck up or make plays. He wont learn shit handing it off and throwing 15 times that doesnt equal success....his development will be hindered and this pos staff is to blame.