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correct it doesn't, it just shows the Bears OL has the 2nd best win% so not trusting the second best win% OL doesnt seem logical so it must be something else? what do you suppose that is?
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Remy doesn't need you to defend him. He will be ok he can handle an internet debate
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Coming from a poster who posted still shots of YAC Jones's passes traveling over 20 yards. Not sure if you should be using the word "idiot" in any post.
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defend him?
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It's not rocket surgery, this OL sucks by the best gauge, the eye test. PFF or other made up stats are less than meaningless, they foment stupidity.
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Imagine watching this O-Line and thinking they’re good at pass blocking.
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Did @dbldrew pick the wrong vortex thread?
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... I swear this is all I see; More threads talking about needing to improve the offensive line....
Why are we throwing bombs on dead Horses?
Why are we throwing bombs on dead Horses?
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Dante Pettis will be our best WR on Saturday. Doesn't mean he's good either.
And Whitehair better damn well be the best on the OL. He is A) the highest paid and B) the only one that has played his current position in the NFL before (Jones, Jenkins), hasn't been benched (Borom, Reiff) or isn't Sam Mustipher.
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It is very logical when you look at the true pass set data and the PFF allowed pressure data which has the Bears OL struggling in traditional pass sets to the point Getsy runs the least amount of such sets.
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Correct. Except of course if you actually read what I tagged you on you would see he grades out 31 out of 89 which Woods notes is slightly above average. Comparing that to Pettis is a bit silly don't you think? Playing a position for longer really has no correlation to whether someone is good or not. That is just an absurd suggestion.
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Consider me unimpressed with the idea of paying slightly above average (did this take into account Sunday?) 14.1M next year at 31 years old coming off a season that he will miss 1/3 of.
Again, you are so literal when finding things to argue. Pettis was very clearly a tongue-in-cheek comparison. Meant to point out just because someone is the "best" of a bad group doesn't mean they are good.
And I didn't really suggest that Whitehair playing his position longer makes him better. Again pointing out that he's the best pass blocker out of a 5th round rookie from an FCS school, a college OT that has started at guard after being move there 3 weeks before the season started, a 5th round 2nd year OT that has been hurt benched, and hurt again, and Sam Effing Mustipher. Whoopty freaking do!
I have never argued that Whitehair isn't decent. But I want better than decent. Especially when I have multiple guys developing on the OL. I'd rather pay Patrick 5Mil to hopefully be decent than pay Whitehair 14.1Mil to hopefully be decent, because 5Mil is what decent players get, 14.1Mil is what top of the line guards get.
Keep Whitehair + Cut Patrick = 15.5Mil cap space used, 3.9M saved
Cut Whitehair + Keep Patrick = 13.7Mil cap space used, 5.8M saved
And also as I have argued, it's easier to find LGs better than Whitehair than it is to find C's better than Mustipher simply because there's twice as many players at G than C. And Patrick may actually be the proverbial bird-in-the-hand because he's already on the roster, knows the offense, and is likely better than the 35th best center in the league.
Also interesting that you left out Wood doesn't think Whitehair will/should be back next year.
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@dbldrew is still dying on the Bears have a good OL mountain?
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Again the point is he isnt merely the best pass blocker out of a bad bunch on the Bears. He is in the top 3rd of the league.
Patrick has looked like shit this year and Whitehair has been better than him for most of their careers. There is no reason given the money we have to risk C being a probably next year by hoping Patrick who has looked like shit is the answer.
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I never said Patrick was the answer. We have a whole conversation on this. Don't just read the last post and try to use what I said without taking everything I've said into full context. I basically gave you a full offseason of moves where I added another guy that can play C (Brunskill) and potentially added a draft pick there, along with still having the dude they drafted last year. I gave you 4 potentially bodies for C.
And my point hasn't ever been about how good or not Whitehair is now. I'm looking at 2023, as one does when your team is 3-11. Players tend to lose effectiveness as they age. Now granted, OL can have very long careers after 30, but you also have to factor in that if he sits out the rest of this season, he'll have missed 10 games in the last 3 years, and it's not like he's Terron Armstead/Bahktiari where he's elite when he's out there. I don't expect him to be top 1/3 going forward, which is why I don't want to pay him top 5 OG money next year. It's just not a good use of money, especially when odds are you're going to have to play someone else there 3-5 games there when he inevitably gets hurt next year.
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The last time Brunskill played C he gave up 31 pressures and 4 sacks. That is actually worst than Mustipher. Last year at RG he gave up 41 pressures and 5 sacks. He has played better this year but in limited snaps.
So you still have the issue of cutting Whitehair to spend potentially more money on someone that may not actually be a significant upgrade.
I think our fundamental disconnect is you think some of these guys are much bettee than their stats would suggest.
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Well see, that's why I gave 4 players. I'm not counting on Brunskill to play more than limited snaps, unless he earns them by being an upgrade to Mustipherand Patrick and Kramer. And Brunskill will not cost anywhere near Whitehair, because he is not a full time player,, which is also part of why I suggested him.