Tyler Colvin heading to Iowa soon.....

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Almost 25 year old OF Tony Campano is expected to be calle dup in the corresponding move.
 

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Big difference for Rios and Wells. Both may have horrendous contracts like Soriano, but both Rios and Wells are good CFers who play pretty good defense, unlike Soriano.

Wells was decent early in his career, but he cannot play CF anymore. He is downright terrible out there.

Should still be a pretty good LF'er though.

Trading Kosuke is about the dumbest thing we could do.

I very much disagree. Unless we can resign him at much much less than what he came here for. Something like 2 year for 5 million would be alright. Otherwise ship him out for whatever you can get. Along with Byrd and Ramirez.
 

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i suppose it depends where you are coming from, if you want to give up on the year, then hell yeah trade him, but if we wanna stay in it, we need kosuke's obp. i would be fine with trading him, but not just to make room for colvin.
 

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i suppose it depends where you are coming from, if you want to give up on the year, then hell yeah trade him, but if we wanna stay in it, we need kosuke's obp. i would be fine with trading him, but not just to make room for colvin.

It's more to make room for B-Jackson than Colvin. I would think.
 

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It's more to make room for B-Jackson than Colvin. I would think.

I would do it to make room for Colvin.

I would move Byrd to make room for B-Jax.

Honestly by years end I would like to see a lineup of:

B-Jax
Castro
Colvin
Baker (3B)
Soto
Soriano
LaHair (1B)
Barney

Ideally that's what we will be looking at with Byrd, Pena, Fukudome, and Ramirez all gone for spects.
 

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I would do it to make room for Colvin.

I would move Byrd to make room for B-Jax.

Honestly by years end I would like to see a lineup of:

B-Jax
Castro
Colvin
Baker (3B)
Soto
Soriano
LaHair (1B)
Barney

Ideally that's what we will be looking at with Byrd, Pena, Fukudome, and Ramirez all gone for spects.
LaHair is old and Micah Hoffpaur Lite.

Keep an eyeout for Justin Bour late this season or next year in ST. Ridling is a nice player but doesn't have the pure power Bour does. Ridling could end up getting shuffled around and becomea super sub guy who can play 1B, 3B, and the corner OF spots. I like his game a lot.
 

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The Cubs should try and OF at 1B to finish out the season if out. But that's a big IF as the Central is not gona have a run away winner and I still think the Cubs will be in the race for a while.

But if they are out, trade Ramirez, Pena, Kosuke and Byrd. I think Byrd and Ramirez will be the eaiser ones to trade. On the Ramirez hand, the Cubs may have to pay some of his 16MM (or whatever it is).

However, the trade deadline is still long ways away and anything can happen from now to then.

Also, don't forget Jack is on the DL but seems to be OK and can maybe return soon.
 

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The Cubs should try and OF at 1B to finish out the season if out. But that's a big IF as the Central is not gona have a run away winner and I still think the Cubs will be in the race for a while.

But if they are out, trade Ramirez, Pena, Kosuke and Byrd. I think Byrd and Ramirez will be the eaiser ones to trade. On the Ramirez hand, the Cubs may have to pay some of his 16MM (or whatever it is).

However, the trade deadline is still long ways away and anything can happen from now to then.

Also, don't forget Jack is on the DL but seems to be OK and can maybe return soon.

Wut?
 

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i suppose it depends where you are coming from, if you want to give up on the year, then hell yeah trade him, but if we wanna stay in it, we need kosuke's obp. i would be fine with trading him, but not just to make room for colvin.

Give it another month and we will be 10 back with the current roster.
 

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The Cubs should try and OF at 1B to finish out the season if out. But that's a big IF as the Central is not gona have a run away winner and I still think the Cubs will be in the race for a while.

But if they are out, trade Ramirez, Pena, Kosuke and Byrd. I think Byrd and Ramirez will be the eaiser ones to trade. On the Ramirez hand, the Cubs may have to pay some of his 16MM (or whatever it is).

However, the trade deadline is still long ways away and anything can happen from now to then.

Also, don't forget Jack is on the DL but seems to be OK and can maybe return soon.

We will see. You are going to have to pay something for probably all four of those and honestly I think the easiest one to move very well may be Pena.

Someone like the Yankees with Posada sucking may be interested in a LH power bat. Won't get much but could get something decent.

Unless Ramirez remembers he hits for power no one is going to want him. Byrd and Fukudome we will see. Byrd should have been shipped off in the offseason when he had value. Still he has the most value of the four, and we should get a top 10 prospect for him.
 

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Byrd should have been shipped off in the offseason when he had value.
Totally agree
Still he has the most value of the four (Ramirez, Fukudome, Pena), and we should get a top 10 prospect for him.
So before the season Byrd was worth more than a top 10 prospect? I'm thinking his only value is cash and maybe a low level prospect even before the season began.
 

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Totally agree

So before the season Byrd was worth more than a top 10 prospect? I'm thinking his only value is cash and maybe a low level prospect even before the season began.

I think before he was worth a top 10 prospect and something decent. Possibly two top 10 spects.

Right now I would say he isn't. His value was never going to be higher than it was this offseason unfortunately.
 

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I think before he was worth a top 10 prospect and something decent. Possibly two top 10 spects.

Right now I would say he isn't. His value was never going to be higher than it was this offseason unfortunately.

I agree it was never higher, but a no power slightly above average fielder just isn't that valuable.
 

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I think before he was worth a top 10 prospect and something decent. Possibly two top 10 spects.

:lmao:

Do you have any comparable moves for a career .283/.341/.422 33 year old CF who averages 10HR's a season that's worth one Top 10 prospect and something "decent"...let alone 2? That would have to be one desperate team.

What leads you to believe Byrd would have been worth that?

Byrd most likely wasn't worth that after the 2009 season let alone after the 2010 season.
 
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I agree it was never higher, but a no power slightly above average fielder just isn't that valuable.

Eh. A CF'er hitting 10 HR's a year with not terrible defense making only 6 million is fairly valuable. Had he been a FA in the offseason he would have gotten a better deal than what he currently has and that's why I felt we could have gotten something good.

Now perhaps the most we could hope for would be like a Mark DeRosa type deal.
 

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Ummm... I agree. What kind of response were you looking for? I was looking at it more from the Cubs' standpoint of making it look like we're still trying. If we trade him now we are giving up already. If we wait till the deadline, it makes it look a little better. Although the Ricketts have already given up on the season, as some of the ticket deals that they have already announced for August and September show. It's all about the Ricketts' money and if they want more of it, trading Kosuke at this point is dumb.
 

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Ummm... I agree. What kind of response were you looking for? I was looking at it more from the Cubs' standpoint of making it look like we're still trying. If we trade him now we are giving up already. If we wait till the deadline, it makes it look a little better. Although the Ricketts have already given up on the season, as some of the ticket deals that they have already announced for August and September show. It's all about the Ricketts' money and if they want more of it, trading Kosuke at this point is dumb.

Do you really think that the die hard cub fans who know their shit are latching on to false I hope? I dont.

So that leaves the casual fans, no matter what the cubs do, the tourists and party people will show up still.

So either way, unless there is ALOT of false hope by the die hards, trading him now is the best case for a return.
 

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