Tyrus not being shopped and some BG talk

[SouL EateR]

Doug to i really have to be talked to like that by this guy whos probally a computer gangster..?

 

[Dpauley23]

Why don't you go read the forum rules and you'll see your in clear violation

 

[Dpauley23]

While TT is on the court the Bulls are -178 and while he's off the court there +155. His opponents against him have 18.3 per while he only has 17 per. Also while at the 4 spot he has given up net of -100 points

 

[dougthonus]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Ok go live on your fantasy and go suck Tyrus dry. Sorry for the language, but these Tyrus lovers are the biggest morons on the planet. I go here to get away from Chicago Radio Talk, but I have to listen to it with these idiots. Go get his defensive stats for the whole game not just one play

This kind of talk is completely unacceptable. Seriously, don't do it again. There's no reason to go off and attack users because their opinion differs from yours.

 

[Dpauley23]

Sorry about that. Won't happen again.

 

[Dpauley23]

I guess its okay to give negative Karma just because you don't agree with someone though right?

 

[Kush77]

Tyrus has proved he's not going to be a bust. For a while there (in the middle of the season) I thought he was going nowhere. Then he played well down the stretch. The Bulls shouldn't have any problems moving him to get a Bosh/Stoudemire. At least I hope not.

While I'm glad Tyrus has shown progression, I don't think the Noah/Thomas combo is the answer ultimately.

 

[Dpauley23]

That wasn't the argument though. My point was that he played horrible defense. I think that Tyrus is decent player and if he was good defensively that pairing could work in my opinion

 

[Kush77]

Dpauley23 wrote:

That wasn't the argument though. My point was that he played horrible defense. I think that Tyrus is decent player and if he was good defensively that pairing could work in my opinion

I was just making my own random statement about Tyrus. I wasn't commenting on your points. I haven't had a chance to read this whole thread.

 

[Dpauley23]

It gets pretty ugly so I wouldn't even bother

 

[dougthonus]

Tyrus can do some things well defensively.

Generating steals and blocking shots are things he does very well as a big man. Clearly, that has some defensive value. Tyrus also does some things not so well defensively. He doesn't box out or rebound great though his rebound rate is similar to Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire he's not bringing their offense to the table.

Tyrus has things he could work on, and I think it's largely an understanding of the game. Knowing when he needs to help and when he needs to box out, or to some extent, the Bulls may be better having him always help, but then they need someone who's a beast on the defensive glass next to him, and Noah/Miller aren't those guys. Maybe Noah becomes that guy.

I don't think a Tyrus/Noah tandem is the answer simply because the talent level isn't high enough. Maybe both Tyrus and Noah develop into starting caliber players, but they're both most likely to develop into the weaker starter you'd want in your front court. You need someone who's got legit all star talent up there, and neither of these guys appears to be it (though Tyrus still has some chance to put it together).

 

[Ralphb07]

dougthonus wrote:

Tyrus can do some things well defensively.

Generating steals and blocking shots are things he does very well as a big man. Clearly, that has some defensive value. Tyrus also does some things not so well defensively. He doesn't box out or rebound great though his rebound rate is similar to Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire he's not bringing their offense to the table.

Tyrus has things he could work on, and I think it's largely an understanding of the game. Knowing when he needs to help and when he needs to box out, or to some extent, the Bulls may be better having him always help, but then they need someone who's a beast on the defensive glass next to him, and Noah/Miller aren't those guys. Maybe Noah becomes that guy.

I don't think a Tyrus/Noah tandem is the answer simply because the talent level isn't high enough. Maybe both Tyrus and Noah develop into starting caliber players, but they're both most likely to develop into the weaker starter you'd want in your front court. You need someone who's got legit all star talent up there, and neither of these guys appears to be it (though Tyrus still has some chance to put it together).

IMO we need to get a defensive guru as a Asst to shape this whole team up, someone like Tom Thibo or the next Tom Thibo. If Thibo doesn't get the Kings or Sixer job we should make a run at him.

 

[houheffna]

What irks me about Tyrus is that he is not where he is supposed to be on either side of the floor. Blocked shots are sooooooooo...overrated. They just hand DPOY to block shot leaders but there are highly skilled players who don't have those type of stats who shut down their opponents, like Scottie Pippen.

 

[Manic Devourer]

houheffna wrote:

What irks me about Tyrus is that he is not where he is supposed to be on either side of the floor. Blocked shots are sooooooooo...overrated. They just hand DPOY to block shot leaders but there are highly skilled players who don't have those type of stats who shut down their opponents, like Scottie Pippen.

Block shots aren't over-rated at all, if you're a smart shot blocker and intimidator.

Tyrus blocks shots, and is great at timing leap. The fact that he can leap out of the gym, and is long helps a lot but his timing is extremely exceptional. There are plenty players that can jump, and leap but it doesn't always equate to block shots because their timing is off.

Problem with Tyrus is that he isn't smart when it comes to blocking shots. A player throws up a shot against Tyrus 10 times, he'll likely block about 3, foul on about 5 times, and goal tend the other 2, then you have to factor in how many times he'll block the ball out of bounds when he does.

The great thing about Mutombo was that he would always try to corral the ball towards himself after a block shot, or keep inbounds to one of his team mates. There were also plenty of times where he wouldn't even go up for the block shot, but just be an intimidator to keep the players guessing. They know you're a shot blocker, but if they know you will go up at every shot, they'll eventually take advantage of that and just pump you out of your socks and get the foul.

When it comes down to it, Tyrus just isn't a bright player and I honestly don't see that ever changing.

 

[SouL EateR]

Manic i agree that Tyrus is not the brighjtest of players but i do think that can change,hes only started playing real ball as junior in hs.Im not trying to make an excuse for everything he does because i too become frustrated with him at times,but i cant see how a 22 yr old wont get any smarter basketball wise than he already is.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

all I have to say is LOL to everything from page 4 on. Sorry.

 

[Simeon2UC]

If he doesn't turn into Stro and just give up, Tyrus will be great. I still think he's 3 years away from understanding what he could do. He averaged 10 points this season, not bad at all. He's just sratching the surface. I think Tyrus could averaged 20 ppg with his athleticism. His lateral quickness is great, he can jump, he anticipates great, and his wingspan just says hook shot. Will Gar Foreman hire a Jack Sikma or finesse big man to help this guy out. I just don't think he will learn it on his own, especially since his Basketball IQ isn't something a Bulls fan can brag about.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Anyway Ty isnt a bad defender but with a better work ethic he could lead the league in block shots eventually. He seems to read the ball good and as you all know he has those long arms and leaping ability.

 

[Simeon2UC]

The only thing I hate about Tyrus is when he blocks shot instead on keeping it inbound like Bill Russell did. Most of his blocks coverts to opposition second-chance points. Last, if he develops a Kevin Garnett skill-set, he'll be dangerous, you know, that mid-range shot and that vertical-right-hand-hook-over-the-left-shoulder.

 

[Simeon2UC]

According to his twitter - which I checked out today - he's serious about becoming great.