USC Center Jonah Monheim

[Zvbxrpl]

Arm Length is honestly the biggest knock on this draft. Even the top prospects have shorter arms for tackles, which is why scouts have even the top rated tackle as a prospective guard in the NFL.

It appears to be the OL T-Rex draft, the way scouts tell it.

Fans/scouts have to leave the entertainment factor/making the nfl a year long sport behind and just be brutally honest about the guy.

An OT with short arms can be a hall of famer or an All-pro at LT in this league. Why is that? Nobody fucking asks that, because fans don’t care enough. Even though you might just be on the way to finding a good fucking tackle prospect as opposed to Braxton Leno, who has 35 inch arms and sucks.

Here’s a crazy idea—Maybe try looking at what makes those guys good/all pro/HOF/even pro bowl level and see if the guys this year have any similar traits. Bend, anchor, footwork, hand fighting, cerebral ability to identify stunts/twists.

But what do I know. It’s been mediocrity since John Tait with correct arm length under Braxton. And Charles. And J’Marcus Webb. And Frank Omiyale. Fossilized Orlando Pace too.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Arm Length is honestly the biggest knock on this draft. Even the top prospects have shorter arms for tackles, which is why scouts have even the top rated tackle as a prospective guard in the NFL.

It appears to be the OL T-Rex draft, the way scouts tell it.

I'm so over the arm length game. All three of Poles OTs have long arms and all three of them have been horrible in pass protection.

What good is arm length if your feet are too slow?

 

[dentfan]

Olin was a consensus All American at Washington. His son is an honorable mention All Big 10 which means one coach voted for him.

He should stay in college and in the weight room and see if he can add 15 pounds of muscle and then aim for next year.

Holy shit! I agree with you. Someone mark this moment.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I'm so over the arm length game. All three of Poles OTs have long arms and all three of them have been horrible in pass protection.

What good is arm length if your feet are too slow?

Was listening to Brian Bulaga on 670 the score just now and the Packers' philosophy has always been about footwork first.

"Don't let the feet get beat" and

"All over the guys they've had over the years started out as tackles and then turned into guards."

So if you hear me droning on about the best offensive guards in the NFL were offensive tackles in college circle back to this little tidbit from Brian Bulaga. The footwork matters most of all and arm length is secondary at best.

Now let's go get some offensive line talent.

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Was listening to Brian Bulaga on 670 the score just now and the Packers' philosophy has always been about footwork first.

"Don't let the feet get beat" and

"All over the guys they've had over the years started out as tackles and then turned into guards."

So if you hear me droning on about the best offensive guards in the NFL were offensive tackles in college circle back to this little tidbit from Brian Bulaga. The footwork matters most of all and arm length is secondary at best.

Now let's go get some offensive line talent.

Any possible praising of the Packers immediately invalidates all points which may follow regardless of how valid said points may be.

 

[KittiesKorner]

College tackles becoming NFL guards isn't exactly the earth-shattering revelation to the forum that you hoped it would be.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I don’t think he’s a 3rd round talent. Is he an option in the 5th or 6th? Absolutely, but I’m not over drafting him because he played with Caleb.

It’s a lazy reason to even bring him up.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

College tackles becoming NFL guards isn't exactly the earth-shattering revelation to the forum that you hoped it would be.

The top two OTs in this draft, both endlessly mocked to the Bears, are thought to be kicked inside. It literally happens every year. Peter Skoronski immediately comes to mind.

 

[Anytime23]

I was told Williams has never played with any good OL

 

[GoBears]

Many experts are saying that Johnson's new scheme will eliminate 20-30% of the sacks Williams took last year. Most people are also predicting that the fire and motor the players will be showing under a new head coach will remove another 25%. That's over half the sacks already gone. The line is fine.
We need to make serious runs at WR and punter this year in the draft. That's what most everyone is agreeing to.

 

[KittiesKorner]

as long as they bring their lunch pails to work #chicagoTuff

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Many experts are saying that Johnson's new scheme will eliminate 20-30% of the sacks Williams took last year. Most people are also predicting that the fire and motor the players will be showing under a new head coach will remove another 25%. That's over half the sacks already gone. The line is fine.
We need to make serious runs at WR and punter this year in the draft. That's what most everyone is agreeing to.

Come on now, they got a punter last year!

It's kicker that's needed this year.

 

[Dstone5553]

Many experts are saying that Johnson's new scheme will eliminate 20-30% of the sacks Williams took last year. Most people are also predicting that the fire and motor the players will be showing under a new head coach will remove another 25%. That's over half the sacks already gone. The line is fine.
We need to make serious runs at WR and punter this year in the draft. That's what most everyone is agreeing to.

Is that what they're saying??

And predicting??

Yay?

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Why anyone would draft an OL that doesn’t have the last name Grabowski is beyond me.

 

[GoBears]

Come on now, they got a punter last year!

It's kicker that's needed this year.

You are correct but what you may not have considered is what a lot of people are saying. Many experts say that the Bears lack depth in punting. Nearly everyone agrees that they should have a reliable backup.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Center is such a vital position, our has suck in forever, I don't get why the position gets picked so late in drafts. Why not just use one of those second round picks and get the best one? Unless you solve it by getting a quality veteran (not Bates or Shelton). Sort this out once and for all, geez

 

[I Just Want To Read]

You consider him but not in the 3rd is my read on it. He's like a 5th/6th rounder.

Someone post a GIF of the Mason Graham rep.

 

[--CyBear--]

That's a lazy take

I think he was pointing that out about yours.

 

[Runruffshod75]

Center is such a vital position, our has suck in forever, I don't get why the position gets picked so late in drafts. Why not just use one of those second round picks and get the best one? Unless you solve it by getting a quality veteran (not Bates or Shelton). Sort this out once and for all, geez

It's utter foolishness. Not only that but I'm sick of the light weight CENTERS too. I want a boulder in the middle of the line.

Opposing DCs threw COVER 0 at he Bears offense over and over and over again, and it all starts with having an inadequate CENTER whos basically glorified chip blocker. If you all but have to use your CENTER as a chip you automatically tie one hand behind your back in your protection scheme.

Get a CENTER that's big enough, strong enough, ultimately talented enough in pass protection to man up with any NT/SHADE in the game so your GUARDS can slide out their protection.

If the Bears had a competent CENTER outside of PFF it would have likely bought the QB an extra second or two against the constant barrage of a 7 man pass rush.

The last time the Bears had a competent CENTER was with Whitehair before age and wear/tear caught up with him, and he was no lightweight.

I'm so sick of hearing that we need lightweights for zone blocking.

Ben Johnson utilized 5 man protection schemes in pass protection as much as anyone in the league. If he wants to do that here then the Bears are going to need a better CENTER & LT and GUARD for good measure.

Jake Majors looks like a prospect that will develope fairly quick into a very good NFL CENTER for a long time.