Vegan

[Warrior Spirit]

Did a challenge a couple of months ago and went vegan for a month. It was rough at first, but then once I found some good meat substitutes, it wasn't that bad. Vegan diet is not necessarily healthier. Some of those vegan burgers have a shit ton of sodium. I'm back to eating meat, but now I eat less meat than usual and substitute in some Beyond Meat every once in awhile. One of my buddies in North Carolina has also been growing meat in a lab from cells and has been sending it to me. It's not bad either.

Gotta say I prefer grass fed meat to lab meat and it's not even close. That would go for all food really. Prefer real food to food created in labs.

Also find vegans and vegetarians to be truly ignorant and even outright stupid. They preach nutrients and antioxidants in their diet, obviously oblivious to the fact that plants, grains, fruits and legumes all have antinutrients. These antinutrients usually aren't a big deal unless you base your entire diet around them. And talk about antioxidants all you want but nothing magical about them and the "anti" part should tell you that you don't want an overabundance of them. Antioxidants from plants are to benefit those plants, not human. The human body actually makes its own antioxidants from a combination of amino acids.

 

[LordKOTL]

Vegan...the other white meat.
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[airtime143]

How do you know if someone is a vegan?
Dont worry, they will tell you immediately.

 

[nvanprooyen]

If I ever went that route (doubt I ever would), I'd probably eat Indian food like 80% of the time.

 

[botfly10]

Gotta say I prefer grass fed meat to lab meat and it's not even close. That would go for all food really. Prefer real food to food created in labs.

Also find vegans and vegetarians to be truly ignorant and even outright stupid. They preach nutrients and antioxidants in their diet, obviously oblivious to the fact that plants, grains, fruits and legumes all have antinutrients. These antinutrients usually aren't a big deal unless you base your entire diet around them. And talk about antioxidants all you want but nothing magical about them and the "anti" part should tell you that you don't want an overabundance of them. Antioxidants from plants are to benefit those plants, not human. The human body actually makes its own antioxidants from a combination of amino acids.

antioxidant means anti-oxidizers. As in compounds that inhibit oxidation (basically the source of almost all decay on earth) and absorb free radicals instead of letting them bounce around and potentially damage DNA and potentially lead to mutations that can lead to cancer. Its a pretty basic redox reaction.

It is not possible to eat a harmful amount of antioxidants, at least not from the perspective of reduction. The whole idea is pretty stupid.

but you know, just keep randomly speculating on shit that is actually known.

 

[airtime143]

antioxidant means anti-oxidizers. As in compounds that inhibit oxidation (basically the source of almost all decay on earth) and absorb free radicals instead of letting them bounce around and potentially damage DNA and potentially lead to mutations that can lead to cancer. Its a pretty basic redox reaction.

It is not possible to eat a harmful amount of antioxidants, at least not from the perspective of reduction. The whole idea is pretty stupid.

but you know, just keep randomly speculating on shit that is actually known.

I got bit by a snake once. I wouldnt let those big pharma doctors give me antivenom because it has anti in its name, and that is all you need to know.
I also dont use antivirus software. or Antifreeze.
I am anti anti.

 

[Burque]

I would never do vegan, but I'd actually consider doing vegetarian at least part of the time.

I don't think a little less animal meat would hurt.

 

[botfly10]

I would never do vegan, but I'd actually consider doing vegetarian at least part of the time.

I don't think a little less animal meat would hurt.

a little less (probably a lot less) animal farming is necessary to maintain a stable biosphere and quality of life for humans at current population levels.

so theres that

 

[Warrior Spirit]

antioxidant means anti-oxidizers. As in compounds that inhibit oxidation (basically the source of almost all decay on earth) and absorb free radicals instead of letting them bounce around and potentially damage DNA and potentially lead to mutations that can lead to cancer. Its a pretty basic redox reaction.

It is not possible to eat a harmful amount of antioxidants, at least not from the perspective of reduction. The whole idea is pretty stupid.

but you know, just keep randomly speculating on shit that is actually known.

Lots of things are thought to be "known" but still not factual. Maybe you were taught the wrong things. Maybe everything you know is horse shit. Many dummies accept silly myths as absolute fact. They're just that stupid.

Antioxidant literally means "against oxygen." Human needs oxygen. It oxidizes our fuel. It's a good thing. Excess foreign antioxidants interfere with that energy production. Our cells need no more antioxidants to protect from free radicals than our own bodies already produce. Ain't it funny how nature had it all figured out from the beginning before ignoramuses came along and professed to know different? It is glutathione that is the primary antioxidant used by human and created by the body by combining a few different amino acids. Thinking you need antioxidants from plants or supplements is absolutely asinine as our own bodies already make the dominant and necessary type anitoxidant our own bodies require.

 

[botfly10]

Lots of things are thought to be "known" but still not factual. Maybe you were taught the wrong things. Maybe everything you know is horse shit. Many dummies accept silly myths as absolute fact. They're just that stupid.

Antioxidant literally means "against oxygen." Human needs oxygen. It oxidizes our fuel. It's a good thing. Excess foreign antioxidants interfere with that energy production. Our cells need no more antioxidants to protect from free radicals than our own bodies already produce. Ain't it funny how nature had it all figured out from the beginning before ignoramuses came along and professed to know different? It is glutathione that is the primary antioxidant used by human and created by the body by combining a few different amino acids. Thinking you need antioxidants from plants or supplements is absolutely asinine as our own bodies already make the dominant and necessary type anitoxidant our own bodies require.

anti oxidation dumb ****

as in redox reactions

not anti-oxygen

Organisms need oxygen in order to oxidize glucose to drive atp synthase in order to phosphorylate adenosine diphosphate . In that case, free radicals are contained by electron receptor proteins in the electron transport chain with remarkable precision and efficiency. The elevated energy state of the electron is milked in a controlled manner, driving proton (H+) pumps, creating a proton gradient that in turn drives the ATP synthase protein turbine. At the end of the chain, the now safe electron is accepted by an oxygen. That process is extremely efficient at containing free radicals.

Antioxidents in the sense you are talking are unrelated. They are electron acceptor compounds that mop up free radicals (unbound electrons at an elevated energy state) that are released through biochemical pathways unrelated to respiration.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

anti oxidation dumb ****

as in redox reactions

not anti-oxygen

Organisms need oxygen in order to oxidize glucose to drive atp synthase in order to phosphorylate adenosine diphosphate . In that case, free radicals are contained by electron receptor proteins in the electron transport chain with remarkable precision and efficiency. The elevated energy state of the electron is milked in a controlled manner, driving proton (H+) pumps, creating a proton gradient that in turn drives the ATP synthase protein turbine. At the end of the chain, the now safe electron is accepted by an oxygen. That process is extremely efficient at containing free radicals.

Antioxidents are unrelated. They are electron acceptor compounds that mop up free radicals that are released through biochemical pathways unrelated to respiration.

Sticks and stones, motha fucka. No surprise you miss the whole point. You never were the sharpest knife in the drawer. Point to irrelevant links all you want. It just serves to show what a true dolt you are.

As Nagy has often said to Trubisky, "let me dummy this down for you even more, dumbass!"

Just as cow's milk is far less beneficial to human baby than human mom's milk is, so too are antioxidants from other than human source. Antioxidants for human, made by human, better for human. Simplified enough? Yeah, anti oxidants play a vital role and that's why the human body makes for the human body. It does not mean it requires an overflow from alternative sources or that an overabundance of inferior types (for human) cannot be more detrimental than helpful.

Are you vegetarian? They tend to be brain dead so that's why I ask.

 

[botfly10]

Sticks and stones, motha fucka. No surprise you miss the whole point. You never were the sharpest knife in the drawer. Point to irrelevant links all you want. It just serves to show what a true dolt you are.

As Nagy has often said to Trubisky, "let me dummy this down for you even more, dumbass!"

Just as cow's milk is far less beneficial to human baby than human mom's milk is, so too are antioxidants from other than human source. Antioxidants for human, made by human, better for human. Simplified enough? Yeah, anti oxidants play a vital role and that's why the human body makes for the human body. It does not mean it requires an overflow from alternative sources or that an overabundance of inferior types (for human) cannot be more detrimental than helpful.

Are you vegetarian? They tend to be brain dead so that's why I ask.

antioxidant doesn't mean anti-oxygen dumb ass

I mean, this is so Special person. in the same post you argue that external sources of nutrients are important then go on to say external sources of nutrients are unnecessary.

bottom line is that people don't get to just make up a story in their head based on their own imagination and then use it as evidence when talking about physical reality. That was the entire point of the scientific revolution.

what is actually happening here, is that you feel entitled to an opinion even though you have zero background in the topic (high school level biochemistry) and are unwilling to learn. which is basically the definition of a moron.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

this is so Special person. in the same post you argue that external sources of nutrients are important then go on to say external sources of nutrients are unnecessary.

bottom line is that people don't get to just make up a story in their head based on their own imagination and then use it as evidence when talking about physical reality. That was the entire point of the scientific revolution.

what is actually happening here, is that you feel entitled to an opinion even though you have zero background in the topic (high school level biochemistry). which is basically the definition of a moron.

Actually didn't say that at all. Your reading comprehension could not be worse. The opposite of your first paragraph would actually be true so seeing how lost you are, it's kinda useless.

To the point I've actually made, there's plenty of support, for the argument I make, out there for those not married to myths. Simply search for negative effects of too many antioxidants or antioxidant supplements and you'll find there are indeed known and studied negative effects.

 

[botfly10]

Actually didn't say that at all. Your reading comprehension could not be worse. The opposite of your first paragraph would actually be true so seeing how lost you are, it's kinda useless.

To the point I've actually made, there's plenty of support, for the argument I make, out there for those not married to myths. Simply search for negative effects of too many antioxidants or antioxidant supplements and you'll find there are indeed known and studied negative effects.

Antioxidant literally means "against oxygen." Human needs oxygen.

And talk about antioxidants all you want but nothing magical about them and the "anti" part should tell you that you don't want an overabundance of them. Antioxidants from plants are to benefit those plants, not human.

lol you can't make this shit up

btw, "a couple of amino acids" is called a protein

 

[botfly10]

Anyway, I feel bad for being too mean, but what utter nonsense

 

[Warrior Spirit]

lol you can't make this shit up

btw, "a couple of amino acids" is called a protein

WTF?

Yeah, the word, itself means that. Wasn't referring to definition but literally the word, itself. That's why I literally used the word "literally."

Did I say a couple? In fact, I did not. In fact, I said "few". Protein? Yes, they come from mainly proteins, something you brainless, fast food fry eating, chips munching, soda drinking vegetarians don't usually get enough of. Glycine, glutamine and cysteine are the 3 amino acids the body uses to form Glutathione.

 

[botfly10]

proteins are chains of amino acids. polypeptides. thats what amino acids are, building blocks of proteins. proteins as in molecular machinery. Like ATP synthase.

this is like the twilight zone

 

[Warrior Spirit]

They are organic compounds required for other vital processes within the body as well.

 

[number51]

This is kinda funny, Captain Keto getting his ass paddled like a grade schooler.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

This is kinda funny, Captain Keto getting his as paddled like a grade schooler.

Says the baby who thinks just saying stupid shit makes it true. Being in ketosis and doing IF provides many more health benefits than the mythical ones people believe antioxidants do.