What defines a bust at the QB position?

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Kind of like the SC ruling on porn, can’t really define it but I know it when I see it.
BTW, Mitch’s 83 QB rating last night was almost exactly league average last year


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Kind of like the SC ruling on porn, can’t really define it but I know it when I see it.
BTW, Mitch’s 83 QB rating last night was almost exactly league average last year


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Among qualified passers league average passer rating last year was around 88-89.

Factor in non-qualified it was ~85
 

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So lets build a list of current busts, with having played rookie deal already:
Round/Pick
Blaine Gabbert - 1/10
Ryan Tannehil -1/8
Andy Dalton - 2/3

Can anyone add others to this list?

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Among qualified passers league average passer rating last year was around 88-89.

Factor in non-qualified it was ~85

I read that there were virtually the same number of games where the QB rating was above 83 as below 83, like one game difference. I guess both numbers could be correct.


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You act as though Super Bowl winners/contenders aren't paying out massive contracts to their guys....Are the Stafford lead Patriots/Steelers/Ravens/etc barely making the playoffs and exiting early every year?

Stafford has been excellent the last three seasons...What about that is there to disagree with? What more should Stafford do?

Ok....so what part of "Stafford is grossly overpaid for his talent" don't you understand? ,And if you think he's good enough to win with....you must have only been watching him against the Bears. The Lions have won nothing, and will win nothing as long as they are paying Stafford. He will never be mentioned in the same breath with SB winning QBs...other than by you, I guess...
 

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Ok I erred on calling Dalton a bust, but replace him with Bradford. Who is serviceable but for his draft status is nowhere near what he was intended to be.
 

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RG3 bust
Bradford bust
Sanchez bust
Gabbard bust
 

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More like, who defines someone as a bust this early in a new system?


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Sometimes memories get dim. I bet that many other QBs may have been considered 'busts' early on. I do not remember many QBs and how they did early. I have heard that Aaron Rogers was once considered a bust early on. Troy Aikman I believe struggled. Also I know that Peyton Manning holds the rookie record for the most interceptions thrown in a season.

I wonder if those in the know would bring forth a few facts about today's, or even recently retired, QBs that started out questionable, maybe even described as busts, but eventually became very good QBs in the NFL.
 

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My favorite teams
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Since this team has a great history of QB busts this should be something we can define easily. But it really isn't.

To me, it is if the QB fails to achieve a level of success equal to the position he was drafted. This is a definition of a bust at any position but the QB is more visible so when he fails it is much more noticeable. So while a defensive lineman or a wide receiver may be a bust it rarely effects a team like having a bust at the QB position. A QB may perform ok but not up to expectations. Someone like Alex Smith in San Francisco or Sam Bradford in St. Louis could easily be called busts but they are still playing, at times well, with other teams. So in the true sense they weren't total busts but they certainly didn't live up to their top of the draft billing when picked. Grossman was a bust being a first round pick that never panned out. Hell, we could call Jim McMahon something of a bust as well. Yes he led us to the Superbowl but he never did play well after that. Lets remember he was the number 5 overall pick in 1982. He certainly doesn't have the body of work to support his adoration here but for a championship starved city he became a demi-god. But he never lived up to his potential.

As for Trubisky, we will won't really know if he is a bust for us until probably midpoint next year. Nagy's system is very complex and even an experienced QB like Alex Smith had to learn to implement it. If you look at his early numbers in 2016 they weren't that much different from Trubisky's right now. They were better than Trubisky's but Alex Smith in his first four games with Nagy as OC averaged around 240 yards per game with 5TDs and two INTS. His first two games had him with one big game and one less decent. So my jury is still out on an inexperienced QB with a lot of the strengths of an Alex Smith and maybe some of his weaknesses. It is honestly hard to tell at this point.



Grossman was a bust being a first round pick that never panned out. Hell, we could call Jim McMahon something of a bust as well.


No. Both these guys got to a SB. McMahon won a SB. That's what you hope for when ya draft a Qb in the 1st round. A SB appearance.
 

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