What Do You Want to Do About the OL?

[remydat]

they have got to improve the center spot going into next year...be it FA or draft pick. Same with guard spots. the interior of the line is constantly pushed back into the lap of the QB on passing plays.

tackles, while not amazing, are at least serviceable for another year. wright has another year like you said till they have to decide on his option. no need to rush drafting their replacements when the other 3 spots need desperate attention

In the scenario I gave they are signing one of Smith or Corbett as well as drafting a G/C prospect in the 2nd and another one on day 3. So that would be 3 new additions for the interior.

 

[Sculpt]

Jones is a FA after next year and Wright has underwhemed this year and at this point not earned use exercising the 5th year option which we will need to decide on after next year. So we need to plan for the fact one or both of them may not be long term solutions hence why I would take another T high.

As for Center, Kramer still has one year left and is cheap so not point cutting him and Bates can backup C and Guard and has one year left as well.

Spotrac lists Kramer as an ERFA for next year (25). So, pretty sure Bears don't lose any $ cutting him. He's carrying a 33.5 PFF. My recollection of seeing him play was not positive. I do like his size for C, local guy and still developing. Whatever the coaches think, I guess.

Darnell Wright is currently carrying a 72 PFF. True, he's not looking like an All-pro, but there's still room for improvement on both Wright and Jones. I don't really see why anyone would be planning to replace either.

I mean, I know you have to plan a couple years ahead for replacing OL, but Jones/Wright are young and generally durable. I just don't see the rationale for a high T draft pick in 2025. For 1st rd, I'd be looking DE and NT. For 2nd rd and on looking at G/C. I would look for a T prospect no higher than 4th, and probably more like 5th-7th.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I can tell you that the "great" LSU tackles Campbell and Jones have been giving up a lot of sacks this year. its a big part of why they are 6-4

Well Nussmeir(?) loves to throw deep on literally every play. It’s like the Bears 2005 playoff game vs Carolina— go deep all 3 downs.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Idt it’s he doesn’t want to spend. Players don’t want to play here.

I doubt coaches want to come here too

 

[WestsideResider]

Acquire some good players that aren’t injury prone

 

[knoxville7]

Well Nussmeir(?) loves to throw deep on literally every play. It’s like the Bears 2005 playoff game vs Carolina— go deep all 3 downs.

Yup, is it the O line or is the QB holding the ball too long? I blame Brian Kelly either way

 

[Bearly]

Lets have a discussion about the OL's execution.

 

[remydat]

Spotrac lists Kramer as an ERFA for next year (25). So, pretty sure Bears don't lose any $ cutting him. He's carrying a 33.5 PFF. My recollection of seeing him play was not positive. I do like his size for C, local guy and still developing. Whatever the coaches think, I guess.

Darnell Wright is currently carrying a 72 PFF. True, he's not looking like an All-pro, but there's still room for improvement on both Wright and Jones. I don't really see why anyone would be planning to replace either.

I mean, I know you have to plan a couple years ahead for replacing OL, but Jones/Wright are young and generally durable. I just don't see the rationale for a high T draft pick in 2025. For 1st rd, I'd be looking DE and NT. For 2nd rd and on looking at G/C. I would look for a T prospect no higher than 4th, and probably more like 5th-7th.

Tackles get paid a lot so the reason why you draft one high is you dont want to be in a position where you are forced to pay Jones for example 20 milliom a year if he is just an OK tackle but the market is paying OK tackles that much.

For me, I either want a Pro Bowl caliber T if I am spending big money or just get someone decent on a rookie contract.

 

[dabears70]

Yup, is it the O line or is the QB holding the ball too long? I blame Brian Kelly either way

Here's an article, or at least the part about the Bears and their OL, that i just read on espn+.

Written by Aaron Schatz.

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The myth: The offensive line is a big part of Chicago's problem on offense.​

There's plenty of blame to go around with the offense floundering, but the offensive line might be getting the most mention. Injuries are part of the issue, as the Bears lost starting tackles Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright to knee injuries in recent weeks and then guard Teven Jenkins (ankle) went down in Week 10. They have also given up the most sacks in the league (41).

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Why it's a myth: Sacks are as much a quarterback stat as they are an offensive line stat -- perhaps even more of a quarterback stat. Despite all those sacks, the Bears rank 17th in ESPN's pass block win rate (59.3%) and 21st in pass block losses (114).

According to FTN Data charting, rookie quarterback Caleb Williams has the second-highest time to pressure in the league (2.7 seconds). The issue is less that his offensive line is folding immediately after the snap and more that he is making his own pressure by holding onto the ball too long.

Whether to blame that on Williams or departed offensive coordinator Shane Waldron is up to whomever is watching. The offensive line hasn't been great, but it has been right around league-average. -- Schatz

 

[SugabearMVP]

no matter whether its the draft or free agency, I honestly dont have a lot of confidence in Poles making the right moves. Other than Wright and a pretty reliable pick in Jones, he hasn't really done much else. All his FA lineman are nothing to write home to about and Omiwhateverhisnameis is injured and had injury issues in college.

 

[alswank87]

They won’t be drafting 4 OL but I like where your thinking is

I could see that draft as the reasonable extreme on oline. I’d be very happy with it.

 

[Myk]

Trade all our 7th round picks for guys about to be cut.

Better yet trade all our picks to get 50 7th rounders to cut.

 

[Myk]

First and most, get rid of Flus and send Morgan with him.
Don't know the hows or whys but I do know players from before him may have not been great but they became brain dead with him.
Nobody on oline would look good with him coaching.

 

[hyatt151]

I mean that’s part of it to, but players generally follow the money.

I think it was McGlinchey that turned down more money from the Bears to go somewhere else?

so do washed up players looking for a sucker willing to overpay for their services

 

[hyatt151]

First and most, get rid of Flus and send Morgan with him.
Don't know the hows or whys but I do know players from before him may have not been great but they became brain dead with him.
Nobody on oline would look good with him coaching.

maybe that's because nobody on the OL are any good

 

[Myk]

maybe that's because nobody on the OL are any good

Not Morgan bad.
I'm sorry you don't know how to troubleshoot when a problem gets worse but Morgan being the problem is just the way it is. Until he's gone you really don't know how bad the oline really is.

We drafted Whitehair as OG 2nd round 2016. He was good. He was also OG and OT in college not C.
We put Whitehair in at Center 2016. He was bad but that was because he had no aim, his blocking fundamentals were still good.

We got Daniels, 2nd round Center. We went back to Whitehair who seemed to get his aim better.

Morgan came to the Bears along with Flus. After then Whitehair and the rest of the oline forgot who to block. Open lanes to the passer were common multiple times per game every game.
Before Morgan players would get beat but this complete lack of knowing how to play oline did not exist.

 

[Da Coach]

Sadly we're are screwed. When you continually wiff on OL talent evaluation and injury concern you just keep bringing new shit to add to the pile

 

[msadows]

Sadly we're are screwed. When you continually wiff on OL talent evaluation and injury concern you just keep bringing new shit to add to the pile

I wouldnt say that, the OL can be fixed in an offseason - Just look at this years panthers and cummanders.

I just have zero faith(no one should) that poles can pick the right FA's or draft the right players on the OL.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I wouldnt say that, the OL can be fixed in an offseason - Just look at this years panthers and cummanders.

I just have zero faith(no one should) that poles can pick the right FA's or draft the right players on the OL.

You just described whiffing on the o-line

 

[number51]

Great thread.

1. How do we fix the OL.
2. The draft.
3. It's to early for the draft.
4. 4 1/2 pages of BS.

The way you improve an NFL team/the OL is through the draft and free agency.

"But it's to early for that"

STFU

The question was asked and answered.