What is wrong with the league today!

[supraman]

So I like the commentary here also. I have to ask then, should Keith have gotten 10 or 20 games for his intentional elbow to the face of Sedin? Article on NHL.com right now says the two hits (Keith's and Torres') are the same and we only dislike them when they happen to our players. I disagree. I don't think they were the same. Keith was retaliating for an earlier shot to his head. Should it have warranted a bigger suspension though for being purposefully intended?

If you want to go with hardcore suspensions Keith should have got 20 games.

 

[cplmac]

Keith doesn't exactly have a reputation for trying to hurt other players though.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Keith doesn't exactly have a reputation for trying to hurt other players though.

And to me that has to be factored in. Players w/o the reputation need to be able to redeem themselves, get that second chance.

 

[Pounder]

Shanahan is in over his head. There needs to be a 3 man committee to determine suspensions. I would even give the PA a seat at the table and pair up with them in a show of unity that both sides will be working to improve safety for the game. My only concern is that Donald Fehr will be more concerned about his players losing money from suspensions. But something needs to be worked out. The one man decides it all thing we have now with Shanahan doesn't work.

 

[Maiden]

Shanahan is in over his head. There needs to be a 3 man committee to determine suspensions. I would even give the PA a seat at the table and pair up with them in a show of unity that both sides will be working to improve safety for the game. My only concern is that Donald Fehr will be more concerned about his players losing money from suspensions. But something needs to be worked out. The one man decides it all thing we have now with Shanahan doesn't work.

Ding ding ding ding ding..................we have a winner!!! Don Pardo tell him what he has won.

 

[tvltre]

Keith is not a repeat offender. However, his hit was gross and deliberate attempt to injure. He should have gotten more games.



Shaws hit on Smith was just a joke. How a little kid 5'10(not) and only 180lbs could "KILL" a fully equipped 6'3 211lb goalie? You don't have to be Sheldon Cooper to understand this "Bazinga"!

 

[supraman]

I've been thinking a lot about the suspensions and shit. Here's what I've come up with, the NHL does not have enough revenue to do well if their stars are suspended. Unlike say the NFL who could give a shit who plays and doesn't since their TV deals are so epic. So the NHL has a conflict of interest in suspending and punishing players. The solution, 3rd party referees and disciplinary staff, broker a deal to have the IIHF to handle refereeing and suspensions, make it like a 10 year deal and see what happens.

 

[EspoForever]

Alright, I remember back in the 90's when the Hawks were playing in the Norris Division before the switch to Central.



The Hawks had skill...but also lots of grit.



http://www.youtube.c...ature=endscreen



Watching these guys in the video and the hits that they took...they would all be illegal by the standards of todays game. However, the cheap shots were taken care of by the players...not during a teleconference or meeting in NY!



For pete sake...look at Steve Smith's Jaw...I remember that crap! However, dumbshits like Carcclilo was taken care of on the ice. It never had to go anywhere else.



This was caused by the league trying to get rid of fighting by institution the Instigator rule. Now, you have those little ******* who only hit and start shit running amock since the officials are there to protect them with the rule.



It's Bullshit and ruining this game.



If the Enforcers were allowed to do their job...Torres would be out of a one!

You are exactly correct, sir. I am glad to see there are other people in this world who still know where the "bear shit in the buckwheat" through all this BULLSHIT PR the league is spewing about not knowing WHY there are so many injuries...thanks for posting it.

 

[MassHavoc]

If things were done correctly and working, Keith never would have had to retaliated in the first place because Sedin would already be suspended for all of his antics prior to the hit.



You don't need a three man committee, you need a cut and dry rule book that dulls out the same punishment to everyone equally. Including the circumstances written in. No subjectivity, some people are going to get the short en of the stick some but overall it will still be fair and cut down on the bullshit.



The fact that the BOG toned down the suspensions is bullshit because it shows how ass backwards the league is that they would rather have players out long periods of time with concussions and injury than out because of discipline and trying to create a hockey culture of respect.

 

[Variable]

Yes please take whether or not a player was injured on a head out of the equation all together. Makes no fucking sense and you actually protect the player making the hit by making the punishment less severe if the player receiving the hit, by luck or chance or whatever, doesn't get hurt or miss time. So glaring how wrong that is.

 

[supraman]

Agreed I think the only subjective factor to be considered is intent. Harsher for intent, less for coincidental.

 

[BigPete]

Agreed I think the only subjective factor to be considered is intent. Harsher for intent, less for coincidental.

How do you gage intent?



You can't, it is absolutely subjective and a terrible way to determine punishment.

 

[supraman]

How do you gage intent?



You can't, it is absolutely subjective and a terrible way to determine punishment.

I dont know how to gage shit but I can gauge things

Well you could throw it into 3 categories. Accident, Don't know, Intent. Shaw's would be Don't Know so middle of the road suspension. Torres would be Intent. Keith's would be Intent. And off the top of my head I can think of one that would be accident, I think the one that took crosby out in the WC would be accident, I dont remember the hit and too lazy too look it up

 

[cplmac]

All it takes is common sense when you are trying to determine intent. This isn't a court of law, the bar is as low as the league wants to set it provided they don't violate their CBA in the process. There is a world of difference between a Seabrook laying a guy out and a Torres laying a guy out 999 out of 1000 times, and look if you don't want to be subjected to someone elses judgement of your actions, don't fucking do it.



ps tvltre your sig and avatar are slick.