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I don't consider "nearly making the playoffs" to be a superstar qualifier, but I guess we can agree to disagree. In fact, the way I read your statement was "with Durant they almost made the finals, without Durant they missed the playoffs". That makes Durant a superstar.
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Let me get this straight. By some of the criteria, it's basically just the top 7 MVP candidates. This makes them a superstar. Interesting.
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In the current NBA I'd have to say yes, if not less than that.
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You don't need to google Dave Cowens, dude was a SUPERstar! Gus Williams thanks you fine people.
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Most of the time, yeah. I generally consider the Superstars to be the best players in the league, and generally they're in the running for MVP.
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My main issue with your definition, is that there are words that already describe those players. Top tier, First teamer, MVP Candidate just off the top of my head.
The use of "star" in sports, goes beyond basketball accolades. Stars are popular. This is why the all-star team is a fan vote and usually the most popular players. It's not a chicken-egg when it comes to star power, meaning they are popular because they win MVP. That doesn't always happen. You have players like Tim Tebow that found alternate paths to Superstardom. Players like Yao Ming that was close to reaching stupid popularity(yes, partially due to Asia). Star players don't necessarily have to be the best in their sport. Superstars don't either. Dr J was a Superstar before the merger. Some eras/seasons have more than seven, some only have one. It's not a perfect turnaround, because sports are entertainment and compete with all things. You never know what will be popular and why.
The use of "star" in sports, goes beyond basketball accolades. Stars are popular. This is why the all-star team is a fan vote and usually the most popular players. It's not a chicken-egg when it comes to star power, meaning they are popular because they win MVP. That doesn't always happen. You have players like Tim Tebow that found alternate paths to Superstardom. Players like Yao Ming that was close to reaching stupid popularity(yes, partially due to Asia). Star players don't necessarily have to be the best in their sport. Superstars don't either. Dr J was a Superstar before the merger. Some eras/seasons have more than seven, some only have one. It's not a perfect turnaround, because sports are entertainment and compete with all things. You never know what will be popular and why.
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I guess so...
Guess I just rank a Superstar as the absolutely top tier, then you have All-Stars broken up into 2nd and 3rd tiers.
But I'm a stat driven individual, so that's probably why I've come up with that criteria that I did.
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Seems to me like superstars and super-celebrities are being intertwined here. You don't need to be one, just to be the other. And the two shouldn't share the same definition.
Just my imo though, and I certainly wasn't the one that invented the term "superstar", so who really knows.
Just my imo though, and I certainly wasn't the one that invented the term "superstar", so who really knows.
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Superstar I always thought people used the term to refer to media presences.
Otherwise you're just a star player. If some elite tier guy like Duncan is out there but maybe has no shoe deal, not in Comercials, never on an snl/skit/latenight show, nor not ever on ESPN in studio beyond a rare one time. Guys described like that don't seem a fit for the label as I've heard it.
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Otherwise you're just a star player. If some elite tier guy like Duncan is out there but maybe has no shoe deal, not in Comercials, never on an snl/skit/latenight show, nor not ever on ESPN in studio beyond a rare one time. Guys described like that don't seem a fit for the label as I've heard it.
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¿Super-Celebrities?
I don't see how you can base someone's stardom in a sport off of how well known they are by non-fans. That just seems silly.
I'm much more concerned about a players accomplishments on the court than what name someone's mother absentmindedly heard on her 5 o'clock news viewing.
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To me, a superstar is a game changer. It's someone who strikes fear into the opposing team, knowing they have to face them. From a fan point of view, it's someone who gives you that initial thought of "****, we're going to lose this game because (insert player) is playing". I don't get that vibe from players like Melo, Harden, Howard, Westbrook, George, Paul, Griffin, etc.
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Within the sport and by fans, that defines stardom. I'm not talking about stardom, but superstardom, the next order of magnitude. You are SO good at what you do in your sport, that people know you without paying attention to the sport. Don't be mislead because I show examples(rare too) of players being able to reach the Superstar level without being that MVP-caliber player. The players gain Superstardom because they spill over to non-fans. Star power is a popularity gauge, and you can fight it all you want, but that is what it began as, and what it will be for the considerable future.
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health too.. well thats part of consistency i guess
oh what could have been grant hill...
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But, once a Superstar, not always a superstar? Was Kobe a superstar his last year? If D.wade was, or Tim Duncan can you lose the status?
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If this is the running definition we're going with for an NBA superstar, then I truly couldn't care less who was/is a superstar. That's just irrelevant information to me.
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Clonetrooper would definitely agree with you.Stats are all fine and dandy, but I think we can agree that Jeremy Lin is a superstar
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