What Those Yapping Heat Fans Refuse To Acknowledge

[ZAN]

One MAJOR things that no one is thinking about right now.

Everyone wants to make this LBJ/Wade/Bosh vs. Rose. No one is talking about the benches. When Watson, Brewer, Deng, Gibson, and Asik take the floor, Spoelstra doesn't know what to do. He has two realistic choices, neither of which is appealing. That unit is the best defensive unit in basketball. If you don't believe me, check out the stats. One of which is the PP100. That unit has far and away the best PP100 of any unit/combination you can create in the NBA.

1. When the bench mob comes in for Chicago, Spoelstra can sub his bench in and leave either LBJ/Wade in. We saw this last night, and it was an utter failure. The Bulls swallowed them whole. Gibson, Deng, and Brewer just continued to rotate and throw themselves in LeBron/Wade's way as they tried to utilize high screens and wing isolation all game. Then Asik collapses on the dribble drive and you have two guys in your face while you toss up shots in the lane.

2. You leave the starters out there...which I see Spoelstra trying in Game 2. This, naturally, leads to Wade and LeBron getting gassed, and when Spoelstra DOES go to the bench (more than likely with little to no net gain/loss in the score margin from when Thibs subbed in the bench, due to their defensive abilities), you'll immediately see Rose, Korver, Boozer, and Noah come out. Deng will stay in, and you'll have the Bulls starting 5 vs. Heat bench with a gassed Wade or a gassed LeBron.


Spoelstra is dealing with what everyone who truly saw as the Heat's weakness. What can he do vs. a team that has depth? The reason the Heat demolished Boston, is because Ainge is an idiot and let his entire team's depth go before the start of the season, and traded away the single thing that could have beat Miami; his lane enforcer and space eater (Kendrick Perkins) Spoelstra struggled last night. It was shown that there was no one to guard Rose, unless it's Wade..essentially making it LeBron + Bosh + a very tired Wade vs. the Bulls D. Wade became ineffective largely due to having to chase Rose around for half a game. When the Bulls took Rose off the court, either Wade was too tired to take over the game, or simply couldn't because the Bulls bench is probably the best defensive unit in the league. It's a scary proposition...

Now I'm not saying that the Bulls are the greatest thing ever. They have their issues at times. But the truth is that the Bulls struggle vs. teams that have great floor balance and play-making from every position on the floor. The Heat only have it in 3 spots...and can't afford to play those three for 42 minutes a game for the first 4 games of the series. Spoelstra HAS to go to the bench, eventually....and that's where his team lacks....severely...The Bulls can throw literally any five out there on the floor and still have cohesiveness and capability...

We saw Udonis Haslem and Jamaal Magloire be forced to take the floor...neither of which has played much, if at all this year...The Heat are TRUTHFULLY 4 deep, while the Bulls are 10 deep. The Heats top 3 > Bulls top 3 (though the jury is out on Rose vs. LBJ at this point), certainly. But the next 7 best players in the arena are all wearing red..

 

[Scoot26]

I see Z and/or Dampier being active for the rest of the series as they must do something to address the rebounding issue. I doubt it saves them in the end, but it should help them. Their favorite lineup of Bosh-Jones-LeBron-Wade-Chalmers is not going to work in this series.

 

[ZAN]

most certainly not. you literally don't have to move to guard Jones, so rotation is very easy....

 

[Utahbullsfan]

I see Z and/or Dampier being active for the rest of the series as they must do something to address the rebounding issue. I doubt it saves them in the end, but it should help them. Their favorite lineup of Bosh-Jones-LeBron-Wade-Chalmers is not going to work in this series.

What's the rule on re-activating a player for a series??


The encouraging thing is when they go small to keep up with Rose you still can't stop him you can slow him, but not stop him. And then they get absolutely crushed on the boards.

Then when they go big Rose will kill them with his speed and even then our bigs > their bigs at rebounding anyways, so 9 time out of 10 we will beat their bigs on the boards.

 

[Scoot26]

What's the rule on re-activating a player for a series??


The encouraging thing is when they go small to keep up with Rose you still can't stop him you can slow him, but not stop him. And then they get absolutely crushed on the boards.

Then when they go big Rose will kill them with his speed and even then our bigs > their bigs at rebounding anyways, so 9 time out of 10 we will beat their bigs on the boards.

They changed it...probably 5-6 years ago that you can activate anyone a few hours before a game. It use to be that you could only go the entire playoffs with 12 guys (Basically a playoff roster).

I dont see them really going small much more in this series.. Unless their coach truly is a dumbass. That pretty much eliminates Jone's from hitting 3's, unless he's subbing for LeBron and playing SF.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

They changed it...probably 5-6 years ago that you can activate anyone a few hours before a game. It use to be that you could only go the entire playoffs with 12 guys (Basically a playoff roster).

I dont see them really going small much more in this series.. Unless their coach truly is a dumbass. That pretty much eliminates Jone's from hitting 3's, unless he's subbing for LeBron and playing SF.

Do you feel it will hurt us?

 

[Scoot26]

Do you feel it will hurt us?

No. We're still going to outrebound them. We did in every single regular season game, and we will continue here. But by them putting a bigger body out there, its more likely to lessen the gap in rebounding between the two teams. But that small line-up of theirs that they liked so much against Boston. Its finished.

 

[Bulls On Parade]

So if the Heat lose this year. Do you think they will ever win? Boston will bounce back next year. LA might be getting Howard, or at least some one else is getting Howard. The Bulls will only get better. OKC looks to be maturing. The Knicks seem to be moving forward.

In my opinion this was the Heats best Opportunity. What do you all think?

 

[Scoot26]

So if the Heat lose this year. Do you think they will ever win? Boston will bounce back next year. LA might be getting Howard, or at least some one else is getting Howard. The Bulls will only get better. OKC looks to be maturing. The Knicks seem to be moving forward.

In my opinion this was the Heats best Opportunity. What do you all think?

What makes you think that? KG-Pierce-Allen will all be a year older. They need help and alot of it. Guys will be signing for less money to play with Miami (To be fair, that much should be true for us too). The Knicks will never go anywhere with D'Antoni as their coach.

If the Lakers get Howard, obviously they are back on top, especially if they do it without losing Gasol. The west is looking like it will be dominated by OKC the next few years though.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

So if the Heat lose this year. Do you think they will ever win? Boston will bounce back next year. LA might be getting Howard, or at least some one else is getting Howard. The Bulls will only get better. OKC looks to be maturing. The Knicks seem to be moving forward.

In my opinion this was the Heats best Opportunity. What do you all think?

I dont really see Boston bouncing back they are not winning it next year..

LA might be a force, New York is like a poor mans version of Miami..

I think they will get better, the Big 3 are in their prime and will continue to add pieces whether it be through the draft, MLE, or ring chasers and most of all I do not think the Spo will be their coach for long

 

[Anytime23]

Let me start off by saying this one very important tidbit on Heat fans. They are complete and utter morons. Please do not listen to them. To find a real Heat fan is rare, to find one that actually watches the NBA as a whole is rarer. They use google as their #1 resource to basketball information. Im sure many of them knew who Chris Bosh was but i doubt many of them actually followed him and watched Raptor games.

I grew up around these tards and truth be told, most of my best friends are these guys. They dont want to look at things like matchups. Its all about ESPN hype, statistics and using really small sample sizes as arguments for anything. They just think Wade+Bron+Bosh=Dynasty. Theyre the same guys who call Noah an Anderson Varajao(sp?) clone. They say Loul Deng is garbage while guys like Joel Anthony and James Jones are great. They just dont watch games

Heat "fan" bashing aside, last nights game clearly shows what ive always felt to be true in deep playoff basketball, depth will overcome top heavy talented teams. We've seen it the first 3 games against the heat, we saw it last night as well. Our bench was above and beyond better on both ends. We dominated the boards as well. How the Bulls can win the rebound battle 3 games in the regular season and Spo goes without Z and Damp is a fn mystery to me. Jamal Magloire has been irrelevant since 2004. WTF is he thinking?

What i think works in our favor is that LeBron and Wade have to work so hard on both ends in this series. Wade has to keep up with Rose and still find ways to take over on the offensive end while being guarded by Bogans, Brewer and Deng.. LeBron has to guard Deng, which isnt exactly hard to do but he's no slouch. Then he has to go against a variety of good defenders from Deng to Gibson and Noah. Such little depth on the Heat, those two have to play really well. We just have so many answers for them which the Celtics and Sixers didnt. I love how they dont have a PG we have to worry about either. Chalmers will get his 5-12 points, let him. But he wont just penetrate at will like DC and Teague did the previous two series.

I certainly dont expect the Bulls to win like that again but to get 3 more close wins? Hell yeah, they are fully capable. I thought Boozer was the key, like most did but with the bench contribution and defensive execution....man i dont even know anymore. Wade and Bron will get to the line more, especially in Miami. We wont shoot near 50% from 3. But as long as well keep TOs to a minimum and slow one of the big 2 down, we should be ok. I love what ive seen from the bench the past week, especiall Taj and Asik. We're seeing consistency.

They can continue to yap about how their big 3 is so much better than ours. I'll take the complete team with better coaching and home court.

 

[TopekaRoy]

Let me start off by saying this one very important tidbit on Heat fans. They are complete and utter morons.

Do you want a few good laughs? Check out this thread: Heat vs Bulls Eastern Conference Showdown - MiamiHeatwave Forum | MiamiHeatZone

I think the Heat are a proven force now after beating the Celtics in five games. Then again, I never felt that the Bulls or the Celtics were truly good enough to beat the Heat in a seven game series in the postseason.
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Heat are going to sweep the bulls this series. rose has been there [sic] only good player thus far in the playoffs ...
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the Bulls will be exposed as a one man team ...

Hilarious!

 

[Utahbullsfan]

LMAO "Triple team Rose"

 

[Anytime23]

So if the Heat lose this year. Do you think they will ever win? Boston will bounce back next year. LA might be getting Howard, or at least some one else is getting Howard. The Bulls will only get better. OKC looks to be maturing. The Knicks seem to be moving forward.

In my opinion this was the Heats best Opportunity. What do you all think?

I completely disagree. I think this year is more of a must win for the Bulls than the Heat. The Heat will have a healthier Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller. I dont know what the free agent market looks like but i fully expect them to get upgrades at multiple positions the next couple FA periods and i expect them to get guys at a great discount. I wish players would go against them after what theyve done but South Florida, superstar players and strong possibilities of multiple championships is hard to pass up for guys that are ringless and financially set for life.

The Bulls on the other hand still have to give Rose a contract extension. Combine that with Deng, Noah and Boozers contracts and idk how much we'll have left to get a quality SG and keep our bench intact. Boozer will be a year older, maybe two if theres no basketball next season. Great thing is that Rose, Noah, Taj, Asik and even Deng can all improve. None of them have hit their prime. So maybe there's hope.

Celtics are finished. I hear they are going to blow that team up actually. The big 3 are only going to be worse and more beat up. Rondo has shown to be less effective as his supporting cast regresses. No Perkins. The Old'Neal brothers are retirement ready. I cant see how they get anything but worse with that roster moving forward. They have a lot of work to do.

NYK have a chance to be really good with the right acquisitions and they must make a coaching change. Getting a guy like Howard or Paul can really make them serious contenders but i dont see them having the pieces to get either player. They have next to nothing.

OKC are going to be in the discussion for a long time. They will only improve. I actually think they have the pieces to acquire Howard.

 

[Anytime23]

Do you want a few good laughs? Check out this thread: Heat vs Bulls Eastern Conference Showdown - MiamiHeatwave Forum | MiamiHeatZone



Hilarious!

I refuse to read anything from a Heat fan forum. Dumbasses

 

[BigP50]

Overall what no one understands is our team is deeper then theres. When the bench mob is in, Im always confident that we will score, play D and bring the intensity.

 

[Anytime23]

im never confident in the bench getting buckets unless rose is on the floor

 

[Glide2keva]

X-Factor

The Bench Mob vs. Who?

 

[Bulls On Parade]

Do you all really think players are going to want to sign with a team so hated? I know that may sound like a stupid question, but if they don't win this year. Teams with more cap & less hate would be much more appealing I would think?

From what I am also hearing many, many of the owners hate what the Heat have done, so they might be unwilling to help them in any trades.

Let me be clear these aren't things I believe these are theories that I will be looking closely at in the off-season.

 

[jcrab66]

Overall what no one understands is our team is deeper then theres.

understatment of the year, its like the Heat are the kiddie pool and the Bulls are an olympic diving pool....