What would you do if you were the Bulls GM?

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Here's the thing with trying to move Korver/Brewer/Watson...unless they're part of a big package for an All-Star..no one is going to want them, because they will wait to see if the Bulls just release them and chances are a team can get them for cheaper then. If the Bulls exercise the options and then try to trade them..thats a risk because who knows if anyone would take them for anything.
 

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Here's the thing with trying to move Korver/Brewer/Watson...unless they're part of a big package for an All-Star..no one is going to want them, because they will wait to see if the Bulls just release them and chances are a team can get them for cheaper then. If the Bulls exercise the options and then try to trade them..thats a risk because who knows if anyone would take them for anything.

Why not? It's not like they suck or anything? And who's to say they'll get them on a cheaper deal if the Bulls release them? No one thinks we're gonna get anyone at a discount, why should that be different for anyone else? A guy like Brewer is always going to find a team. He's a great defender and usually can provide some ok offense as well. Teams have a need for a guy who can come in and lock down a guy on defense. Teams have needs for guys like Korver too. Pretty much every single contending team has a 3pt specialist. SAS had Danny Green, Matt Bonner, and Gary Neal. OKC has Cook. Miami has Jones and Miller. Korver is at least as good as a shooter as just about everyone there, probably better than quite a few of them. Any team looking at a guy to play backup PG could do worse than Watson. There's also any team that just wants to shed salary. Watson/Brewer/Korver make like 11-12M between them (5M for Korver, 4ish for Brewer, and 3ish for Watson iirc). That's essentially saving a team 11 or 12M if they let them all go.
 

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Why not? It's not like they suck or anything? And who's to say they'll get them on a cheaper deal if the Bulls release them? No one thinks we're gonna get anyone at a discount, why should that be different for anyone else? A guy like Brewer is always going to find a team. He's a great defender and usually can provide some ok offense as well. Teams have a need for a guy who can come in and lock down a guy on defense. Teams have needs for guys like Korver too. Pretty much every single contending team has a 3pt specialist. SAS had Danny Green, Matt Bonner, and Gary Neal. OKC has Cook. Miami has Jones and Miller. Korver is at least as good as a shooter as just about everyone there, probably better than quite a few of them. Any team looking at a guy to play backup PG could do worse than Watson. There's also any team that just wants to shed salary. Watson/Brewer/Korver make like 11-12M between them (5M for Korver, 4ish for Brewer, and 3ish for Watson iirc). That's essentially saving a team 11 or 12M if they let them all go.

Because thats often teams/owners menality is I'll wait for guy to be on the open market at a chance to get him cheaper. Doesnt always work out, but thats how they play the game.

And Watson's stock right now is god awful, so he can definitely become cheaper. Brewer didnt do himself any favors in that first round series either.
 

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If I'm the Bulls GM, I look realistically at this roster and think about 2013 Draft. And preparing for a chance in 2013 and a big push in 2014-2015.

We can afford to let Asik go if he gets the major cash. No reason to pay him starter's money to come off the bench behind Noah. Also no reason to have 2 defensive centers with the same offensive game. Our backup needs to have either a decent face up game or a solid back to the basket arsenal of post moves. Especially since Noah is just an offense via hustle type of player...I think we go ahead and either sign'n'trade Asik, or let him go. If we want Asik that bad, wait a year and look at Jeff Withey out of Kansas next season in the mid-to-late 1st round. He gives you that Asik-like defensive presence, and possess a decent mid-range game that Omer does not. Much like Omer, he'll get pushed around by bigger forwards, but should alter shots just by standing on the floor. There aren't a lot of options out there at the C/PF position to back up Noah. Ryan Anderson shot his way into a pay-day. Teams don't want to touch JaVale McGee's knucklehead personality with a 10-foot pole...meaning he won't get a giant pay-day; and I would try to look at him...but I'm not sure even Thibs could reel him in.

Taj is also going to command high dollars after 2013-2014. I think he's the type of player we can either sign'n'trade OR be forced to find a suitor for Boozer. There is no way we can keep them both. Most cry out for Taj to be the starting 4 man, but I really think he's best off in his 15-20 minute per game rotation. His payout is maximized at this volume. Some (contender) team will be duped into sending us a late first for him, which we can hopefully find another Taj next June.

I think we target Hinrich and target him early. He'll be more than willing to come here with the starting PG spot up for grabs....but....

...This is Marquis Teague's team to run now, with Rose sidelined. I love this pick because we essentially went all-in for one season with this rookie PG experiment. He may emerge as an all-star, or he could merely be a backup PG...but Teague is going to be given his chance to shine. He will succeed some, and he will fail others. But most importantly, he's going to get a chance in Thibs' system to be "Derrick Rose." This will give us a confident basket attacker and distributor when Rose returns, and C.J. Watson will become a distant memory.

I think we still take a long, hard, look at Brandon Roy too. Low-risk and high-reward. He and Rip, if healthy, hybrid to give us one hell of a 2 guard rotation.

If all this is done....we can realistically look at this in the 2013 NBA Draft.

Possible 13-14 (Unless hell freezes over, we won't be getting this from Charlotte)
Pick 15-18 being ours by default (Withey?)
Possibly a 20-23 pick via trading Taj (unless we trade Boozer...which won't happen) (Trevor Mbakwe?)

giving us a rotation in 2013-2014 of


PG: Teague, Hinrich, Rose
SG: Rip, Roy, Hinrich
SF: Deng, Butler,*
PF: Boozer, Mbakwe/Taj
C: Noah, Withey,
*Mirotic in Spain...might be ready....if not, sign possibly 1 more league minimum hybrid guard/forward for roster depth
 
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Because thats often teams/owners menality is I'll wait for guy to be on the open market at a chance to get him cheaper. Doesnt always work out, but thats how they play the game.

And Watson's stock right now is god awful, so he can definitely become cheaper. Brewer didnt do himself any favors in that first round series either.

So one bad play and Watson's stock plummets...makes perfect sense.

I'd agree that Brewer had an overall terrible offensive year, but he's not being looked at to provide offense. He's a defensive specialist first and foremost.

But I never really intended on trading those guys to a team looking to keep them, my mentality was always that the receiving team would just waive them after the trade, thus saving them up to 11M in cap room. You said that they'd only be useful in a trade for an All Star...that's exactly the type of trade I'd be looking at first.
 

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So one bad play and Watson's stock plummets...makes perfect sense.

I'd agree that Brewer had an overall terrible offensive year, but he's not being looked at to provide offense. He's a defensive specialist first and foremost.

But I never really intended on trading those guys to a team looking to keep them, my mentality was always that the receiving team would just waive them after the trade, thus saving them up to 11M in cap room. You said that they'd only be useful in a trade for an All Star...that's exactly the type of trade I'd be looking at first.

Well yeah, that much would be obvious. Also I think if we trade them..they have the option activated or something along that nature..I'm not entirely sure what the exact rules are trading someone in June who has an option that has to be activated by July 10th..my guess is if you trade them..the team receiving automatically has to pay for the following year. I could be wrong though.

But I just expect the Bulls not to be able to do nothing..Reinsdorf won't pay the luxury tax this year as the Bulls arent likely to contend, so those three are likely all gone. I'm positive Watson is gone.
 

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Well yeah, that much would be obvious. Also I think if we trade them..they have the option activated or something along that nature..I'm not entirely sure what the exact rules are trading someone in June who has an option that has to be activated by July 10th..my guess is if you trade them..the team receiving automatically has to pay for the following year. I could be wrong though.

But I just expect the Bulls not to be able to do nothing..Reinsdorf won't pay the luxury tax this year as the Bulls arent likely to contend, so those three are likely all gone. I'm positive Watson is gone.

I haven't heard anything saying that options would automatically be activated. I've read a couple random blogs saying that trading those guys to another team saves the other team money because they can get waived afterwards due to the non guaranteed nature of their contracts. I won't pretend to know the actual ins and outs of how that works though in either case. But if you're right, then yeah there's not really a point in trying to trade them.

I expect the Bulls to do nothing more because there's just not a lot they can do. They have no money for a FA and trading players is pretty much impossible (that is, trading guys like Deng, Noah, Boozer for improvements) because of contracts or teams just don't want our guys. So realistically, next season is gonna suck. At least we'll get a decent pick out of it? :rolleyes:
 

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If I'm the GM, and I set my personal fan-loyalty and love for certain players aside. I try the Don-Nelson mixed with a Mark-Cuban approach. Just for this next season.

I let everyone walk, that is coming off contract. I try to scout out the best D-League talent to fill voids. Then I try to amass as many trade exceptions as possible, without giving up the core players that are built around Rose. This means that I keep Noah, Taj, Butler, Deng. Listen to offers on anyone else(and of course, anyone can go, if the offer is good enough). See which under-developed players are the best, find them a role, and swap the worst ones for other developing talent.
 

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