What's next for the Bulls?

[The Hawk]

The Bulls spent half the season claiming Luol Deng only had a bone bruise and he was babying himself. The Bulls leaked to the media that Deng should participate in "active rest". The Bulls had the media, fans and even some players questioning his heart. Finally Deng got a second opinion. It turns out he had a stress fracture. De ng later almost died from a botched spinal tap and because of the hatchet job of the Bulls he was forced to prove how sick he truly was. That stuff sticks.

You're right about Deng and how the Bulls treated him. He did almost die.I am surprised that he didn't sue the Bulls because of it. It reminds me back to when the Bear's doctor botched the Butkus surgery (I think that he left something in Butkus knee) and it got toxic.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I don't feel sorry for Deng, Rose, Butler or Noah. It's funny how their committment and priorities change after they get their guaranteed contracts and shoe deals. All of this griping and postering over petty shit has to end. Get them the hell out of here and start over with young players. Then be careful who you give big contracts to moving forward.


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[clonetrooper264]

Let's just sign KD

 

[cjswan232482]

I don't feel sorry for Deng, Rose, Butler or Noah. It's funny how their committment and priorities change after they get their guaranteed contracts and shoe deals. All of this griping and postering over petty shit has to end. Get them the hell out of here and start over with young players. Then be careful who you give big contracts to moving forward.


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You should be concerned about the Bulls' treatment of players. That's why we can't attract free agents now. I don't think having a cavalier attitude about treatment is a selling point. Money don't mean much if you are crippled or even dead. The players are the ones who have to live with the consequences while the owners count their BILLIONS. Don't let your jealousy over contracts blind you.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

You should be concerned about the Bulls' treatment of players. That's why we can't attract free agents now. I don't think having a cavalier attitude about treatment is a selling point. Money don't mean much if you are crippled or even dead. Don't let your jealousy over contracts blind you.

You're kidding, right?

Last time I checked, all the star players get paid pretty well. And despite the Bulls' poor playoff performance in recent years, the core players have been kept together on this team.

Frankly, I don't feel sorry for most NBA players. They get gaurenteed contracts which are the most lucrative in all of sports. Add endorsements to that too. As much whining and crying that goes on around the league, you'd think they'd be getting peanuts to play a physically bruising sport with very little longterm security built into their contracts (see NFL).

No one on this team is getting mistreated. Pampered and placated constantly, yeah. When guys stop representing that logo on their shirt that's providing generational wealth for their families, they turn into massive assholes unworthy of the love and respect they get from the fans who pay their salaries.


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[cjswan232482]

You're kidding, right?

Last time I checked, all the star players get paid pretty well. And despite the Bulls' poor playoff performance in recent years, the core players have been kept together on this team.

Frankly, I don't feel sorry for most NBA players. They get gaurenteed contracts which are the most lucrative in all of sports. Add endorsements to that too. As much whining and crying that goes on around the league, you'd think they'd be getting peanuts to play a physically bruising sport with very little longterm security built into their contracts (see NFL).

No one on this team is getting mistreated. Pampered and placated constantly, yeah. When guys stop representing that logo on their shirt that's providing generational wealth for their families, they turn into massive assholes unworthy of the love and respect they get from the fans who pay their salaries.


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First of all, the fans do not pay their salaries. If they did, they could dictate player salaries. Players get paid whether you buy a ticket or not. So stop it. You have to recognize that top players are a brand unto themselves. If you really want to get real, the shoe companies have more influence because THEY pay the most money to the players. If players play compromised, it hurts their brand. The player's main objective is to protect his brand, whether you like it or nor. That is why no one take controversial stands anymore. If you don't complain about Tom Cruise or Will Smith making $30 milliion a movie, do not complain about player salaries.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

First of all, the fans do not pay their salaries. If they did, they could dictate player salaries. Players get paid whether you buy a ticket or not. So stop it. You have to recognize that top players are a brand unto themselves. If you really want to get real, the shoe companies have more influence because THEY pay the most money to the players. If players play compromised, it hurts their brand. The player's main objective is to protect his brand, whether you like it or nor. That is why no one take controversial stands anymore. If you don't complain about Tom Cruise or Will Smith making $30 milliion a movie, do not complain about player salaries.

Uh, yeah... this is an elementary aspect of business that even sports franchises are subject to. Fans (consumers) provide the revenue which pays player salaries. That is a fact. We see a direct correlation between revenues and salaries as evidenced by the cap increase generated by the new tv contract. If you can't comprehend this, we can't have a grown up discussion about Bulls players and their questionable behavior. There is no $90MM+ contracts or half-billion dollar shoe deals without fans. We make that possible for these guys, and when they forget that, they usually go off the reservation real quick.


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[cjswan232482]

Uh, yeah... this is an elementary aspect of business that even sports franchises are subject to. Fans (consumers) provide the revenue which pays player salaries. That is a fact. We see a direct correlation between revenues and salaries as evidenced by the cap increase generated by the new tv contract. If you can't comprehend this, we can't have a grown up discussion about Bulls players and their questionable behavior. There is no $90MM+ contracts or half-billion dollar shoe deals without fans. We make that possible for these guys, and when they forget that, they usually go off the reservation real quick.


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Show me a bad team I show you bad management. That's simple. The whole team is dysfunctional and it starts at the top. It is Bulls management that breeds mistrust and cause players to feel the need to look out for themselves. Luol Deng and Joakim Noah are about as stand up guys as you can get. Rose's sins are getting hurt and being too honest. Period. Players know Bulls management are back stabbing butt coverers who got certain media in their back pockets.

BTW, if the players generate the revenue, they deserve every dime they can get.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Show me a bad team I show you bad management. That's simple. The whole team is disfunctional and it stops at the top.

That's the thing, though. The Bulls aren't a bad team. The roster has consistently underperformed, to the point where it's become comical. None of the stars put out max effort this past season, which shows a willingness to sandbag games. It was obvious the team wanted no part of an extended playoff run. It was also clear there are factions of the roster who can't stand each other.


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[Enasic]

I think the players just see the direction of the team. As fans, we know it's a sinking ship. Imagine the players. They see it first hand everyday....so they know the team isn't headed in the right direction and likely won't be headed in the right direction for a long time. The roster, up until this season, has actually over performed, not under. You could make a point that they under performed against Cleveland when they folded like lawn chairs but there was a lot that went into that. Everyone and their mother knowing Thibs was gone after the season, Rose/Butler jockeying to be the man, and Garpax by themselves is enough to make any situation toxic.

I don't think any player other than Rose has really been pampered or didn't play when they could have. Deng and Noah played when they were healthy enough to. Jimmy played when he was healthy enough to. The only guy who can't really say the same is Rose. So I can't really buy that narrative that the players suddenly softened up after they got their money. Noah has always been a warrior and Deng overcame a "soft" rep by becoming an iron man AFTER he got paid.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

I think the players just see the direction of the team. As fans, we know it's a sinking ship. Imagine the players. They see it first hand everyday....so they know the team isn't headed in the right direction and likely won't be headed in the right direction for a long time. The roster, up until this season, has actually over performed, not under. You could make a point that they under performed against Cleveland when they folded like lawn chairs but there was a lot that went into that. Everyone and their mother knowing Thibs was gone after the season, Rose/Butler jockeying to be the man, and Garpax by themselves is enough to make any situation toxic.

I don't think any player other than Rose has really been pampered or didn't play when they could have. Deng and Noah played when they were healthy enough to. Jimmy played when he was healthy enough to. The only guy who can't really say the same is Rose. So I can't really buy that narrative that the players suddenly softened up after they got their money. Noah has always been a warrior and Deng overcame a "soft" rep by becoming an iron man AFTER he got paid.

For the past 3 or 4 years, the Bulls have been touted and framed as legit contenders by the pundits and media. Most fans bought into this too. There's simply no evidence to justify the hype. The only players who sorta played up to or beyond their capability are Butler and Gasol. We now know that both of these players were heavily involved in the weekly soap opera which evolved from poor chemistry in the locker room.

Anyway, you can't deny there was way too much hype about this team, or that they have been a disappointment. Of course, there's no disappointing the overly optimistic "glass half full" contingent prevalent among the Chicago sports fan. The Chicago market is a sports franchise owner's dream, with the Sox being the lone exception. Sox fans are realist for the most part.


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[Enasic]

For the past 3 or 4 years, the Bulls have been touted and framed as legit contenders by the pundits and media. Most fans bought into this too. There's simply no evidence to justify the hype. The only players who sorta played up to or beyond their capability are Butler and Gasol. We now know that both of these players were heavily involved in the weekly soap opera which evolved from poor chemistry in the locker room.

Anyway, you can't deny there was way too much hype about this team, or that they have been a disappointment. Of course, there's no disappointing the overly optimistic "glass half full" contingent prevalent among the Chicago sports fan.


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For the past 3 or 4 years Derrick Rose has been a gimp. Usually people would preface the "legit contender" talk with "if Rose is healthy." No team are legit contenders when their franchise player is either injured or a shell of their former self. Either way, being over hyped is vastly different from under performing. The Bulls have consistently over performed since the hiring of Thibs.

 

[ChiSoxCity]

For the past 3 or 4 years Derrick Rose has been a gimp. Usually people would preface the "legit contender" talk with "if Rose is healthy." No team are legit contenders when their franchise player is either injured or a shell of their former self. Either way, being over hyped is vastly different from under performing. The Bulls have consistently over performed since the hiring of Thibs.

Even with a healthy Rose, the Bulls were never as good as some people thought.

The lack of athletic scorers has always been the achilles heel of this team. You don't win championships without prolific scoring, hence they were never a serious contender to begin with.

Rose's refusal to play unless he is "100%" healthy has effectively prevented the Bulls from ever getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook and others with similar injuries to Rose's manage just fine in the playoffs, whereas Roses uses it as an excuse to stick it to the organization by sitting on the bench.


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[Alpha Male]

Let's just sign KD

Sounds like a plan

 

[Enasic]

Even with a healthy Rose, the Bulls were never as good as some people thought.

The lack of athletic scorers has always been the achilles heel of this team. You don't win championships without prolific scoring, hence they were never a serious contender to begin with.

Rose's refusal to play unless he is "100%" healthy has effectively prevented the Bulls from ever getting past the 2nd round of the playoffs. Dwayne Wade, Russell Westbrook and others with similar injuries to Rose's manage just fine in the playoffs, whereas Roses uses it as an excuse to stick it to the organization by sitting on the bench.


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What a minute, what are you talking about? Let's backtrack here...a healthy Rose won ROY and two years later won an MVP after he led the Bulls to the best record in the NBA. What's really crazy about that? NO ONE expected anything close from the Bulls that year. They vastly overachieved as did Rose. The next year? Shortened season due to the lockout. Rose was still elite and the Bulls I believe were 1st in the East again. Then Rose tore his ACL in the 1st game of the playoffs. Rose hasn't been truly healthy since then. So what are you talking about that even with a healthy Rose they weren't as good as some people thought?

Also, in 2010 the Bulls made it to the ECF so what do you mean they never got past the 2nd round?

 

[ChiSoxCity]

What a minute, what are you talking about? Let's backtrack here...a healthy Rose won ROY and two years later won an MVP after he led the Bulls to the best record in the NBA. What's really crazy about that? NO ONE expected anything close from the Bulls that year. They vastly overachieved as did Rose. The next year? Shortened season due to the lockout. Rose was still elite and the Bulls I believe were 1st in the East again. Then Rose tore his ACL in the 1st game of the playoffs. Rose hasn't been truly healthy since then. So what are you talking about that even with a healthy Rose they weren't as good as some people thought?

Also, in 2010 the Bulls made it to the ECF so what do you mean they never got past the 2nd round?

I'm talking post-MVP, obviously.

You know it's funny how Rose had this reputation for being a humble person who led by example and never missed games. After the MVP and the max contract that all went out the window and he turned into a scumbag.


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[FirstTimer]

What a minute, what are you talking about? Let's backtrack here...a healthy Rose won ROY and two years later won an MVP after he led the Bulls to the best record in the NBA. What's really crazy about that? NO ONE expected anything close from the Bulls that year. They vastly overachieved as did Rose. The next year? Shortened season due to the lockout. Rose was still elite and the Bulls I believe were 1st in the East again. Then Rose tore his ACL in the 1st game of the playoffs. Rose hasn't been truly healthy since then. So what are you talking about that even with a healthy Rose they weren't as good as some people thought?

Also, in 2010 the Bulls made it to the ECF so what do you mean they never got past the 2nd round?

Rose missed a ton of time the season he tore his ACL in the playoffs. He hasn't really been healthy since his MVP season

 

[GalePayton]

Well, I think that you also may have some big blinders on with Rose. You talk about his "upward progression"? Then there is your possible "mvp" level next season stuff??

Yeah, I am not a Rose fan. But it is all based on what he has done in front of me. I think that he is pretty dumb. I think that he lets his "posse" dominate everything. I think that he has let down his teammates ever since he got hurt. I think that Rose is a damn prima donna who cares nothing but himself. He had a big time chance to be an idol in Chicago if he would have only TRIED to be a good teammate and TRIED to come back to help them. They were oh so close to win a championship and what did we hear for Rose? I'm not ready. I want to be able to provide for my kid. I want to be able to walk when he graduates from grammar school. I am happily awaiting the salary cap increase.

Truth is, that Rose is a dumb ass whose agent must be an idiot also to allow this putz to say the shit that he does. He has managed to take a hometown guy who was loved by the Bulls fans to morph into the selfish asshole that he is.

Who are you on realgm? ... Duck, fleet, rerisen?

 

[The Hawk]

Who are you on realgm? ... Duck, fleet, rerisen?

I am not on realgm.

 

[Enasic]

Rose missed a ton of time the season he tore his ACL in the playoffs. He hasn't really been healthy since his MVP season

He didn't miss a "ton" of time but he did miss some. Either way, that wasn't the point. ChiSox was saying that "even with a healthy Rose the Bulls weren't as good as people thought." yet he said he was talking about post MVP Rose. Post MVP "healthy" Rose only was around for half a season so I'm not sure the point he was really trying to make. Who knows what would have happened if Rose didn't tear his ACL that year. They were good enough to finish 1st in the East, again. You could say that because Rose got injured they didn't have enough time to grow and get over the hump, but to say they weren't as good as people thought is kind of silly. No one expected them to even be relevant in 2010 and then they were #1 seed, Rose won an MVP, and they made it to the ECF. Then the next year, there was a lockout and Rose tore his ACL in the playoffs. After that, no one knew how good Rose or the Bulls would be when Rose showed he couldn't stay healthy, everyone knew the team was done for.