Whats the starting lineup for next year?

[postdiction]

PG: Rose/Kirk
SG: Salmons/Kirk (guys, i really think Salmons can replace 90% of BG's scoring)
SF: Deng/JJ/Salmons (Deng will need to provide as much as Salmons did last year)
PF: TT/JJ/Gibson ( Hopefully TT can provide more consistent offense)
C: Noah/Miller/Gibson (Noah, come on dude develop one offensive move)

Does this look right to you guys? How many wins do we get?

Until the the trades last year I always felt we had good depth. Now it seems we are lacking depth specifically at the 2. Do we sign some one else or save our money for next year? We have to get someone in next years FA class.

If we could get an additional 1st round draft pick for next year that would be huge as next years draft seems to be loaded. I wouldn't mind trading Deng to a team that we know is going to be in the lottery like say Sacramento, Memphis or Minny.

What do you guys think?

laters,

postdiction

Go Illini

 

[Simeon2UC]

I don't care if you replace him, you still need his scoring.

 

[Simeon2UC]

Why in the hell would I be happy about losing 20 ppg? Plus, we're not getting anything in return. Is it me or Paxson is taking baby steps to rebuild.

 

[postdiction]

Simeon2UC wrote:

I don't care if you replace him, you still need his scoring.

Salmons is a 20 ppg scorer.
We will be okay at the 2 spot. However, we might be hurting at the 3 so Deng will have to bring 18 ppg and remain healthy for the whole season.

 

[Kush77]

I think the lineup will be

Rose
Hinrich
Salmons
Tyrus
Noah

I'm of course assuming Deng will be hurt as usual. But if he can stay healthy or 5 min. He should start at the 3 so Reinsdorf can reap something off that great investment.

I was fine with Deng's contract for the record. I just want to take my shots at uncle Jerry.

I just want to know who takes the big shots for this team? Who makes up for the 3-point shooting. The outside shooting in general.

There's gonna be a difference now that opposing defenses don't have to account for BG. Sure. Salmons might replace BG for next year, but what about after that? Salmons will probably opt out of his deal. then so you re-sign a SG that's going on 31 years old? And assuming he puts up Gordon-like numbers, guess what? He'll want similar money.

I'm just don't think the 2010 free agent class is going to be the answer for the Bulls. and now losing Gordon means that you'll have to find another piece. In addition to the one you needed down low.

 

[Dpauley23]

My guess is Miller would start at Center just because we'll need his scoring. If James Johnson is as good as advertise the loss won't hurt as much

 

[vhans5219]

Hinrich can play small forward too right ? because he played small forward when salmons was injured

 

[Dpauley23]

I guess not the idea spot and probably won't get minutes with James Johnson playing his minutes

 

[Kush77]

vhans5219 wrote:

Hinrich can play small forward too right ? because he played small forward when salmons was injured

No. He was just guarding Pierce in the series - I think because of foul trouble in that game? Was it Game 5? I don't remember.

 

[postdiction]

vhans5219 wrote:

Hinrich can play small forward too right ? because he played small forward when salmons was injured

We will need Kirk more as a backup PG and SG. So he maybe able to play it but, he is more valuable as a 2. Also, Salmons is a natural 3 and and JJ can play the 3 as well.

 

[houheffna]

Postdiction, this is a very good thread.

I wish mle could give his opinion on this and not worry so much. Again, we will be fine. As far as a three point shooter, they grow on trees, that was the one thing Krause would get in abundance. Kirk will backup at both backcourt positions, I am anxious to see how things go.

 

[postdiction]

Kush77 wrote:

I just want to know who takes the big shots for this team? Who makes up for the 3-point shooting. The outside shooting in general.

Shouldn't Rose start taking most of the big shots? He needs to develop these moves if he wants to be a super star and lead the Bulls. He needs to take over games in the 4th quarter.

I also think Salmons though not as good as BG, can take those big shots and he a good FT shooter at the end of games and he has a comparable shooting percentage from the 3 as BG.

 

[TheStig]

postdiction wrote:

Simeon2UC wrote:

I don't care if you replace him, you still need his scoring.

Salmons is a 20 ppg scorer.
We will be okay at the 2 spot. However, we might be hurting at the 3 so Deng will have to bring 18 ppg and remain healthy for the whole season.

Really? When has Salmons scored 20ppg? I haven't seen it in any season.

 

[postdiction]

TheStig wrote:

postdiction wrote:

Simeon2UC wrote:

I don't care if you replace him, you still need his scoring.

Salmons is a 20 ppg scorer.
We will be okay at the 2 spot. However, we might be hurting at the 3 so Deng will have to bring 18 ppg and remain healthy for the whole season.

Really? When has Salmons scored 20ppg? I haven't seen it in any season.

08-09SAC 53 53 37.4 0.472 0.418 0.823 0.8 3.4 4.2 3.7 1.1 0.2 2.30 2.30 18.3
08-09 CHI 26 21 37.7 0.473 0.415 0.843 0.6 3.7 4.3 2.0 1.0 0.6 1.65 2.30 18.3

There you go 18.3 ppg, with a higher FG% than BG and equivalent 3pt% as BG.

So yea he is a 20 ppg if you give him enough shots.

If you are gonna argue that 18.3 is not 20 then have him take 2 shots per game more and you are at 20.

 

[PJ Brown]

Salmons almost certainly can score 20ppg. I'm not sure it's a good sign if he does, though. Salmons certainly isn't afraid to put up a big shot. Again, not sure that's a good sign either.

Ultimately, Rose needs to have the ball in his hands and feel the necessity to take the big shots. Even if it costs us a few games this season, he has to cultivate that sort of mentality.

 

[Diddy1122]

postdiction wrote:

TheStig wrote:

postdiction wrote:

Simeon2UC wrote:

I don't care if you replace him, you still need his scoring.

Salmons is a 20 ppg scorer.
We will be okay at the 2 spot. However, we might be hurting at the 3 so Deng will have to bring 18 ppg and remain healthy for the whole season.

Really? When has Salmons scored 20ppg? I haven't seen it in any season.

08-09SAC 53 53 37.4 0.472 0.418 0.823 0.8 3.4 4.2 3.7 1.1 0.2 2.30 2.30 18.3
08-09 CHI 26 21 37.7 0.473 0.415 0.843 0.6 3.7 4.3 2.0 1.0 0.6 1.65 2.30 18.3

There you go 18.3 ppg, with a higher FG% than BG and equivalent 3pt% as BG.

So yea he is a 20 ppg if you give him enough shots.

If you are gonna argue that 18.3 is not 20 then have him take 2 shots per game more and you are at 20.

So who scores the 20ppg you're giving up in BG? How is Salmons going to handle double-teams, which he rarely saw thanks to playing next to BG & Rose? Will he really improve that much? He'll be 30 next season & has only averaged over 15ppg once, this year. That's alot of question marks for the organization to let their leading scorer for the past 4 seasons walk for nothing.

Not to mention the clutch shooting, there's no one, I repeat, NO ONE who can hit those shots like BG can. I pray that Rose grows some bigger balls & eventually becomes that guy, but in the meantime, the lack of clutch will hurt us alot.

 

[houheffna]

So who scores the 20ppg you're giving up in BG? How is Salmons going to handle double-teams, which he rarely saw thanks to playing next to BG & Rose? Will he really improve that much? He'll be 30 next season & has only averaged over 15ppg once, this year. That's alot of question marks for the organization to let their leading scorer for the past 4 seasons walk for nothing.

Not to mention the clutch shooting, there's no one, I repeat, NO ONE who can hit those shots like BG can. I pray that Rose grows some bigger balls & eventually becomes that guy, but in the meantime, the lack of clutch will hurt us alot.

I find it simply amazing that people can overvalue Gordon's worth to this team and in the league and underestimate everybody else on the team. Just sad. If Gordon was that great a clutch player, he would have made passes out of some of those double teams. Like Pierce, Kobe and Lebron can do. But it doesn't matter, he is gone, these questions will be answered when the season starts.

 

[Diddy1122]

houheffna wrote:

So who scores the 20ppg you're giving up in BG? How is Salmons going to handle double-teams, which he rarely saw thanks to playing next to BG & Rose? Will he really improve that much? He'll be 30 next season & has only averaged over 15ppg once, this year. That's alot of question marks for the organization to let their leading scorer for the past 4 seasons walk for nothing.

Not to mention the clutch shooting, there's no one, I repeat, NO ONE who can hit those shots like BG can. I pray that Rose grows some bigger balls & eventually becomes that guy, but in the meantime, the lack of clutch will hurt us alot.

I find it simply amazing that people can overvalue Gordon's worth to this team and in the league and underestimate everybody else on the team. Just sad. If Gordon was that great a clutch player, he would have made passes out of some of those double teams. Like Pierce, Kobe and Lebron can do. But it doesn't matter, he is gone, these questions will be answered when the season starts.

It amazes me how much you undervalue Gordon. And I'm not undervaluing Salmons. I'm simply pointing out how there are alot of ?s regarding him yet people are so quick to say he will replace Gordon's production. That's sad too.

 

[Shakes]

Diddy1122 wrote:

So who scores the 20ppg you're giving up in BG?

Deng was at a career low in FGA/36 last year, Kirk was at his lowest since his rookie season. Like nearly all rookies, Rose will get more shots in his second year. If James Johnson can contribute anywhere immediately, it's probably offensively. We're yet to sign a free agent (maybe a vet on a one year deal for the MLE?)

I think there's some wiggle room to redistribute the shots Gordon was taking.

How is Salmons going to handle double-teams, which he rarely saw thanks to playing next to BG & Rose? Will he really improve that much? He'll be 30 next season & has only averaged over 15ppg once, this year. That's alot of question marks for the organization to let their leading scorer for the past 4 seasons walk for nothing.

On the other hand Salmons is the guy I'm really nervous about. I hope he can reproduce what he did last year, but I also wouldn't be surprised at all if it was a fluke year, especially his 3 point shooting.

 

[senrad]

I'm worried about Salmons regressing back to his avg numbers after a fluke year. I also don't want salmons taking the crunch time shots. His only move is crossover, hesitation, contested jump shot. Rose needs to have the ball in his hand next year.