Whats the trade value.

[Collins77]

We are going to have to build up a team, especially the O line around whomever we get as QB.With the current cap situation we will have to trade or restructure a few contracts to make this happen. So I looked at a few of our aging stars and wondered, what is their trade value? So CCS, what do you think.
HICKS ?
FULLER?
MACK ?
Is their trade value worth their absence?

 

[bamainatlanta]

We are going to have to build up a team, especially the O line around whomever we get as QB.With the current cap situation we will have to trade or restructure a few contracts to make this happen. So I looked at a few of our aging stars and wondered, what is their trade value? So CCS, what do you think.
HICKS ?
FULLER?
MACK ?
Is their trade value worth their absence?

Hicks-older player, high salary, diminishing talent-- likely late round pick
Fuller- big contract, more of a zone, off-LOS corner, maybe a mid- round at best
Mack- probably a 3rd rounder or a conditional 2nd at best

The best trade chips are ARob, Mooney, Smith or Johnson. But none will back full value back yet besides Mooney.

 

[Decatur Staley]

In Madden, I traded our #1 and Roquan for the #1 overall in this years draft.

Make it happen Pace!

 

[Black Rainbow]

Other teams would only be interested in Roquan, Jaylon Johnson, Eddie Jackson...etc.

You couldn't even command much for Monty. It's better just to keep the guys you listed until their contracts are up. This is why it's imperative for Pace to not trade draft picks. I dislike trading down to recoup picks, but Pace has put himself in that situation giving away so many picks for Mack and Trubisky and others.

 

[dennehy]

Fuller doesn't have that big of a contract, if traded he would cost the other team $14mil. That's not peanuts but it's not unreasonable. Also Fuller plays lots of off man, which is very valuable. Only one year left on his deal though. I'd guess a third or fourth.

Mack would easily bring a second and maybe a late first. He's only due $17m per year over the next two if traded and no guaranteed money past that. Still a top 10 edge for sure. Tons of value for a good team that just needs an edge.

Hicks late rounder. I could see Fangio biting for a fifth maybe, he loves his old players and his job is on the line this year.

 

[Luke]

Fuller doesn't have that big of a contract, if traded he would cost the other team $14mil. That's not peanuts but it's not unreasonable. Also Fuller plays lots of off man, which is very valuable. Only one year left on his deal though. I'd guess a third or fourth.

Mack would easily bring a second and maybe a late first. He's only due $17m per year over the next two if traded and no guaranteed money past that. Still a top 10 edge for sure. Tons of value for a good team that just needs an edge.

Hicks late rounder. I could see Fangio biting for a fifth maybe, he loves his old players and his job is on the line this year.

Of course, these possibilities could only exist if they did the correct thing and fired Pace/Nagy and started over again.
The reality is that they will either be extending/restructuring or converting salary to signing bonus for all of these guys plus maybe a couple of more.

 

[Collins77]

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Hicks-older player, high salary, diminishing talent-- likely late round pick
Fuller- big contract, more of a zone, off-LOS corner, maybe a mid- round at best
Mack- probably a 3rd rounder or a conditional 2nd at best

The best trade chips are ARob, Mooney, Smith or Johnson. But none will back full value back yet besides Mooney.
[/QUOTE]

I dont like the idea of trading any of our young players. I was looking at players that most likely won't be here in two years and also have hefty cap #s. I dont see us winning a superbowl in the next two yrs. So I was looking at dropping cap #,while adding some younger talent thru the draft. The three guys I mentioned have approximately 2/3 years of value left.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

AROB is the one I'm most interested in as some of the other guys I think get extentions.

If you let him go in free agency you should in theory get a bottom of the 3rd round comp next year. The question is what's he worth with a sign and trade this year? I'd hope for a second but think a 3rd and maybe a 6th or 7th would be more realistic. If you get a 3rd this year the Bears need to consider it because :

A. It helps NOW.
B. Allows the Bears to sign whoever they want without dealing with the comp pick formula. (signing player A negates losing player B.....etc)
C. You have the money that would have gone towards AROB to spread around to other places.

don't get me wrong, I'd rather keep him but I think that ship has possibly sailed.

 

[Raskolnikov]

We are going to have to build up a team, especially the O line around whomever we get as QB.With the current cap situation we will have to trade or restructure a few contracts to make this happen. So I looked at a few of our aging stars and wondered, what is their trade value? So CCS, what do you think.
HICKS ?
FULLER?
MACK ?
Is their trade value worth their absence?

If we don't get a veteran QB I'm in favor of blowing it up. This is pointless. I have a pint of hope in Nagy left, and none in Pace. Giving them one more chance prevents us from a fire-sale...which is what we should probably do.

Get every asset you can pushed as far as you can into the future and take 5 years to really fix this thing. But before you can even begin you need the right people in the building, not a wild over-zealous savant without experience and a young idiot GM.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I actually hate the whole "tear down" to build up bullshit everyone thinks you have to do. Thats not the way (its bad math).

The way is to compete for a championship every year for a decade, but to do that you have to plan for attrition in the right way, build your team on a master plan to maximize dollars and compensatory picks, and build yourself to repeat a cycle of winning in the future.

Our desperation to win often gets in our own way. We just can't lay off the free agents, never could. Never works for us. Pace has a trade problem and a trade-up problem. He has gutted us of picks his entire tenure and he hasn't got but one compensatory pick and might get one this year that will actually be a bad loss, but probably signs and trades out of that and buys some stupid fucking free agents instead.

We can't fix this sinking ship like this. Its nearly hopeless.

 

[dennehy]

Of course, these possibilities could only exist if they did the correct thing and fired Pace/Nagy and started over again.
The reality is that they will either be extending/restructuring or converting salary to signing bonus for all of these guys plus maybe a couple of more.

I think they could trade Hicks. Very doubtful on the other two. I'd look for a restructure for Whitehair for sure.

 

[iueyedoc]

Hicks-older player, high salary, diminishing talent-- likely late round pick
Fuller- big contract, more of a zone, off-LOS corner, maybe a mid- round at best
Mack- probably a 3rd rounder or a conditional 2nd at best

The best trade chips are ARob, Mooney, Smith or Johnson. But none will back full value back yet besides Mooney.

Hicks- 2nd rd
Fuller-1st (top ten)
Mack-1st and 2nd plus next years 2nd.

 

[Luke]

I think they could trade Hicks. Very doubtful on the other two. I'd look for a restructure for Whitehair for sure.

Possibly. they could definitely sign a younger, healthier DT.
Hicks has 1 year left with a 10.4milmil salary. Can they covert that salary to signing bonus (lets say over 2021-2023 which would reduce his 2021 cap hit to 5mil) beyond the 1 year like voidable years or would they have to add two additional contract years?

 

[dennehy]

Possibly. they could definitely sign a younger, healthier DT.
Hicks has 1 year left with a 10.4milmil salary. Can they covert that salary to signing bonus (lets say over 2021-2023 which would reduce his 2021 cap hit to 5mil) beyond the 1 year like voidable years or would they have to add two additional contract years?

Don't think they would convert non-guaranteed money into signing bonus.

If they want they will just give him a new deal to lower the cap hit. But then they're inevitably pushing money into a frame when he will be in definite decline, and they're essentially retaining him for 2021 when there is no window. It mostly goes back to the foolish choice to keep Pace. But there's really no good extension option for Hicks imo.

 

[Decatur Staley]

I actually hate the whole "tear down" to build up bullshit everyone thinks you have to do. Thats not the way.

The way is to compete for a championship every year for a decade, but to do that you have to plan for attrition in the right way, build your team on a master plan to maximize dollars and compensatory picks, and build yourself to repeat a cycle of winning in the future.

Our desperation to win often gets in our own way. We just can't lay off the free agents, never could. Never works for us. Pace has a trade problem and a trade-up problem. He has gutted us of picks his entire tenure and he hasn't got but one compensatory pick and might get one this year that will actually be a bad loss, but probably signs and trades out of that and buys some stupid fucking free agents instead.

We can't fix this sinking ship like this. Its nearly hopeless.

To do that, you have to have a QB... GB has had two all-pro's back to back.... And because of that they have been in the conversation every year for 30 years now.

They've only managed to win 2 because they're a bunch of pussies, but they're in the conversation b/c they've had a QB.

 

[Raskolnikov]

To do that, you have to have a QB... GB has had two all-pro's back to back and because of that they have been in the conversation every year for 30 years now.

They've only managed to win 2 because they're a bunch of pussies, but they're in the conversation b/c they've had a QB.

Totally agree that Green Bay squandered their potential dynasty. Terrible return on opportunity and mostly out of poor planning and bad resource allocation.

Hell, we got to one superbowl and they got to 2 during that whole fucking time? 30 years?(omg, and neither Brady or Rivers or Rothlesberger or Baltimore or Peyton Manning were even in their way, they totally fucking failed)

Their extended faith in McCarthy was absolutely hilarious to witness if he wasn't actually so much smarter than our own buffoons that he could laugh at us twice a year.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Fuller lost a half-step and should be traded for anything if we aren't competing for a superbowl.

Roquan will break down early in his career, is going to be a contract whore and give us grief, so get ahead of the problems and sell high. I know it sounds crazy but its not. Its called vision. Get back to me in 3-4 years when he's pissed off the fan base with his demands and hold out, eventually signed, gains 30 lbs and starts piling up injuries while losing speed while we are on the hook for 20 million for 3 more years. Good times. GET AHEAD OF IT!!

His value is right now to a contender and we aren't that so its best for all parties.

Hicks. Great. Get something.

Can we trade Goldman?

Mack you hold until the deadline and demand he loses some weight starting now. The reward will be getting traded to a contender shooting for a superbowl and the return won't be small, imo if he can just flash some, have a couple good games.

Sign and trade A-rob to preferred QB.

I'm not thinking we should draft a QB this year...(due to demand and draft position I don't see it working out for us barring a trade up I guess could work, but I really want Pace to stop being a bitch and value his damn assets) just tank and get in position for a couple years, investigate Darnold and some others like that.

Draft the long term development positions. Tackle and Wide Receiver. TE and DT/CB/DE.

Milk the compensatory draft for everything its worth. That means buy and sell and trade for and trade out of contracts in a planned and timely manner.

You can trade for veterans every couple years and sit out free agency and collect the picks back. Its a cycle and you have to get on the right side of it, and its very easy to do with planned decision strategies for different years. All in all this gives you balance anyway...and most importantly more chances to hit on QB's and weapons.

The Bears make this whole process seem so fucking hard. We are really pathetic and have been for so long I just want to start burning straw effigies of all the characters at halas every spring, or go to training camp and burn them behind the goalposts. Every year until they fix it.

"Burning Bears" they will call it.

And then we will pull them with steel cords into a giant dumpster still burning filled with leaves. And just watch in awe the dumpster burning every year...the perfect example of this goddamn franchise.

Fuck the Bears man. You can only support stupid for so long.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I hate tanking but this franchise badly needs to bottom out for a couple years. Clean the house. Start over. This has festered long enough.

Get someone willing who knows how to bend the rules. Press every advantage. Its the only way to keep up with Baltimore, San Fran, New England and the other franchises doing these things. Right now the playing field is not even but its our own stupidity...and they have been doing this for 20 years now and we aren't even smart enough to copy them.

 

[NCChiFan]

To do that, you have to have a QB... GB has had two all-pro's back to back.... And because of that they have been in the conversation every year for 30 years now.

They've only managed to win 2 because they're a bunch of pussies, but they're in the conversation b/c they've had a QB.

"all pro's" at QB? What's that? What's that even look like?

 

[Rob219_CBMB]

I hate tanking but this franchise badly needs to bottom out for a couple years. Clean the house. Start over. This has festered long enough.

Get someone willing who knows how to bend the rules. Press every advantage. Its the only way to keep up with Baltimore, San Fran, New England and the other franchises doing these things. Right now the playing field is not even but its our own stupidity...and they have been doing this for 20 years now and we aren't even smart enough to copy them.

i'd say tank the 2021 season, just so we can be rid of TED, PACE, NAGY & CO., go into the next season with the best available candidates and get a football mentality F.O. with high draft picks, and take QB with our #1 pick. But again, I think Pace is gonna fuck this up.