When is 62 > then 72?

Lex L.

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When you are talking about the best regular season Bulls team. That would be the 2010-11 Bulls team as the greatest regular season team in franchise history. It was Derrick Rose (less than Jordan), Carlos Boozer/Taj Gibson (hurt and way less than Rodman) and Noah (hurt and not comparable to Scottie Pippen) that came 10 games from breaking the All-Time record. I don't know how far they will go in the playoffs, but I think a case can clearly be made for this year's team as the greatest in franchise history for the regular season.

You're really getting carried away. No a case can not be made that 62>72. You should really wait a few years to make these kinds of claims. You're clearly too enraptured by the moment.
 

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I'd probably go with the former. I'm not sure how a team that won 88% of its games could ever be considered underachieving. The fact of the matter is that this Bulls team has had to work a helluva lot harder to win games than the 95-96 team ever had to.

They lost 3 games that season by 1 point. Two of those losses were on the second night of back to back games. Lost two games back to back nights, the second night being in Phoenix and Jordan 9-22 that night and was 10-17 from the line. My guess was he and Rodman had a fun night in Vegas the night before.

Other than a 32 point abberation beatdown from the Knicks, they never lost by more than 10 points. My point in all of that being - I'm guessing some nights they didn't really care. This Bulls team had to care every single night.

Very well-said. Two different teams with different talent levels. The Bulls of 96 had talent, but this year's Bulls may have more heart. They definitely need it because they won't win a championship on talent alone with just one all-star on the roster.
 

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Very well-said. Two different teams with different talent levels. The Bulls of 96 had talent, but this year's Bulls may have more heart. They definitely need it because they won't win a championship on talent alone with just one all-star on the roster.

Or it could simply be that the 96 Bulls played in a division with 5 other teams that won at least 50% of their games, while the 11 Bulls played in a division with no other teams that won at least 50% of their games.
 

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Or it could simply be that the 96 Bulls played in a division with 5 other teams that won at least 50% of their games, while the 11 Bulls played in a division with no other teams that won at least 50% of their games.

^^That too.
 

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^^That too.

Dont get me wrong. The 11 Bulls arent a fluke. The 11 Bulls have done better than Miami vs the southeast division and a lot of the elite teams have lost against Central teams. But this isnt a comparison of 11 Miami/Boston and 11 Chicago. Its a comparison of the 96 Bulls and the 11 Bulls. Even though the 11 Bulls win at least 70% of their games no matter how you cross section the data, the truth is, they'd still probably have a few more losses if the Central was more potent.
 

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Anyone claiming that the 2010-11 Bulls have more heart, or (if they win the championship) have accomplished more than the 72 win 1995-96 squad needs to hand in their Bulls fandom now. That's unforgivably stupid.
 

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Dont get me wrong. The 11 Bulls arent a fluke. The 11 Bulls have done better than Miami vs the southeast division and a lot of the elite teams have lost against Central teams. But this isnt a comparison of 11 Miami/Boston and 11 Chicago. Its a comparison of the 96 Bulls and the 11 Bulls. Even though the 11 Bulls win at least 70% of their games no matter how you cross section the data, the truth is, they'd still probably have a few more losses if the Central was more potent.

No question. If the Central had at least a team or two like that of the 96 squads with Reggie Miller, etc. they'd not be a 60-win team and maybe not even a 55+ win team. Not taking anything away from what they've accomplished this year as it's quite impressive. Comparing a team with Michael Jordan to one without is silly.
 

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No question. If the Central had at least a team or two like that of the 96 squads with Reggie Miller, etc. they'd not be a 60-win team and maybe not even a 55+ win team. Not taking anything away from what they've accomplished this year as it's quite impressive. Comparing a team with Michael Jordan to one without is silly.

One thing you should remember though is that the Bulls were 9-8 after their first 17 games. They had a ton of new personnel, a new coach, and new systems. So there was a learning curve that left them 9-8 after 17 games. If the Central would have had more quality teams, they may not have won 62 games, but they would have still probably won more than 55 assuming this would have been a team that didnt have a learning curve to deal with. I had the Bulls pegged for 55 wins this year but they were better than I thought. Having said that, I thought Milwaukee and Indiana would be better than they were this year. My point is that even though the Central wasnt incredibly strong, it's offset by the Bulls having to overcome an initial learning curve. I think between those two advantages and disadvantages, they would have won 58-60 wins.

And it should also be pointed out that the Central teams did beat some of the NBAs elite teams while the Bulls had to play those teams more often but managed to make it throw with only one loss.

In the end, this years team has nothing to hang their head about. It's impressive no matter how you cross section the data. But to even compare them to the greatest team of all time is a bunch of crazy talk.

I think as you win more and more games, it becomes increasingly difficult. The air gets thinner above the timberline and a part of that is that, you're not just winning games, you're also avoiding losses that come with the grind of an NBA season. So, while 10 games may not seem like much, it's actually quite a lot.
 
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You're right. I forgot about the early part of this season. Wow. Looking back at that now, it just makes their final record that much more impressive.
 

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You're right. I forgot about the early part of this season. Wow. Looking back at that now, it just makes their final record that much more impressive.

It was a great year. No doubt about it.
 

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The short answer....No.

The long answer....The 95-96 team had the best D to go along with the best offense. They only lost 3 games by the all-star break. Not to mention the level of competition not only in the East, but the division was significantly better than it is now. Not taking anything away from this year's team, but they couldn't hold a torch to the 72 win team. That's why it's considered to be, and will probably remain for a long long time, the greatest team in NBA history.
 
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