Which is Easier to Find - Edge or DL?

[JoJoBoxer]

We’ve been looking for a tommie replacement going on decades meanwhile pretty much whiffing on every edge rushing draft pick or signing since

To summarize, the Bears suck at drafting defensive line "going on decades".

The Bears DID sign Peppers, Ogun, Mack, Hicks and Quinn, so they are not as bad with Defensive line in free agency or trades.

 

[gallagher]

Well when your line is abysmal, is anyone going to complain about picking either?

With the players the team is currently fielding, both Anderson and Carter are sincere upgrades that would create a ripple effect, improving the rest of the defense. The player you draft is the one which you couldnt find a significant upgrade in free agency.

Poles could sign two really good DTs in free agency with confidence that he invested well. I'd vote to do that and draft the end with lightning speed and put him at RE.

 

[Adipost]

DT is easier to find. EDGE rushers get selected at the top of the draft right after QB’s. Elite edge rushers also rarely hit free agency.

 

[legendxofxlink]

DT is easier to find. EDGE rushers get selected at the top of the draft right after QB’s. Elite edge rushers also rarely hit free agency.

If we’re talking about rushing the passer, for every elite pass rushing interior lineman, there’s 4 elite edge rushers. Elite interior rush is definitely more rare, but edge is more likely to create mismatch or left on an island due to mug looks/blitz etc. Or course not many schemes ask for an interior rush either. Hargrave is a good example of that going from Steelers 3-4 to Eagles hybrid scheme where he’s maximizing his value.

Couldn’t find this years numbers..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488202106012065799

 

[I Just Want To Read]

If we’re talking about rushing the passer, for every elite pass rushing interior lineman, there’s 4 elite edge rushers. Elite interior rush is definitely more rare, but edge is more likely to create mismatch or left on an island due to mug looks/blitz etc. Or course not many schemes ask for an interior rush either. Hargrave is a good example of that going from Steelers 3-4 to Eagles hybrid scheme where he’s maximizing his value.

Couldn’t find this years numbers..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488202106012065799

Exactly.

DT pressure is great because it's very impactful and it's in scarce supply, but the edge rush (and by extension edge rushers) are more impactful in aggregate.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

I'm passing on Carter for now. I question his medicals/knee, because he hasn't looked like the blue-chip, explosive playmaker this year the way he did last year, granted he flashed briefly in the Tennessee game. He dominated last year, and a lot of pundits have been questioning if it was all really him or if it was a product of him and Jordyn Davis (then with UGA, now with Philly Eagles).

If he really wants to change my mind, today's the day to do it, going against one of the best OLs in all of college football in Ohio State. If he wrecks a line where 4 Ohio State OL are expected to be drafted early/mid rounds (Paris Johnson LT, Matthew Jones RG, Dawand Jones RT, Luke Wypler C), he'll have my attention. Till then, ideally pay the shit out of Da'Ron Payne or another FA DT and draft a guy like Brandon Dorlus with the Ravens' 2nd rounder or bears' 3rd--provided Poles doesn't give out the draft picks like Halloween candy before the draft next April.

Anderson is comp'd to Myles Garrett without the 6'5/6'6 frame and length that Garrett has. Peter Skoronski is my #1 guy, but Anderson is a guy I'd be okay with especially if the trade down fantasy fans here vividly (and absurdly) dream of now doesn't come to fruition and the bears stay at 2/wherever they pick.

 

[SD Bears]

Carter is my pick. Most important position on the DL, especially with the Bears trash DL.

On a side note I can’t see how Bryce Young is a unanimous overall #1. I’ve watched most of Bama’s games this season and I just don’t see it. Certainly not in the same category as Tua, Hurts, or the dirtiest player in the NFL, Mac Jones. Houston’s gonna be a bottom feeder for another few years with that pick.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Will Anderson overrated??

 

[dentfan]

Exactly.

DT pressure is great because it's very impactful and it's in scarce supply, but the edge rush (and by extension edge rushers) are more impactful in aggregate.

This

If we’re talking about rushing the passer, for every elite pass rushing interior lineman, there’s 4 elite edge rushers. Elite interior rush is definitely more rare, but edge is more likely to create mismatch or left on an island due to mug looks/blitz etc. Or course not many schemes ask for an interior rush either. Hargrave is a good example of that going from Steelers 3-4 to Eagles hybrid scheme where he’s maximizing his value.

Couldn’t find this years numbers..

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1488202106012065799

And this

The issue is the scheme specific aspect of the DT you want. The usual DT is bottom heavy and designed not to move and control the LOS. Yes, there are different types of responsibilities relative to how the gap and OL are engaged and read. The A is played differently than the B. But, the 3tech has those responsibilities plus.

Now, a pass rushing 3/4 tech, is designed to not just rip through a hole, as any ILB or S can do that off the DT’s hip, but he must be able to push the OL in front of him back in order to do so. This requires an explosive first step, leverage, and a rapid drive to get the IOL back and, therefore, collapse the pocket.

As I said, in addition to the pocket collapsing, they are still responsible for the read gap responsibilities of their particular scheme. So, it is easier for a DC to find fast dudes on the edge and use an interior blitz from either the secondary or a LB than it is to find the pass rushing B gapper. Also, not every scheme uses it.

So, though pass rushing DEs/EDGE are rare, due to everyone needing them, they’re actually in a greater quantity. Now, some true A gap control 3-4 NTs or even DTs may have the ability to play a pass rushing Bgapp/3tech role, but they’re not asked to. From what I remember, the guy on the Eagles is a case in point. Actually, I think the one from Washington’s too.

In general DEs are much easier to neutralize than a 3tech, and not everyone uses a 3tech, so they’re rarer.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

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The issue is the scheme specific aspect of the DT you want. The usual DT is bottom heavy and designed not to move and control the LOS. Yes, there are different types of responsibilities relative to how the gap and OL are engaged and read. The A is played differently than the B. But, the 3tech has those responsibilities plus.

Now, a pass rushing 3/4 tech, is designed to not just rip through a hole, as any ILB or S can do that off the DT’s hip, but he must be able to push the OL in front of him back in order to do so. This requires an explosive first step, leverage, and a rapid drive to get the IOL back and, therefore, collapse the pocket.

As I said, in addition to the pocket collapsing, they are still responsible for the read gap responsibilities of their particular scheme. So, it is easier for a DC to find fast dudes on the edge and use an interior blitz from either the secondary or a LB than it is to find the pass rushing B gapper. Also, not every scheme uses it.

So, though pass rushing DEs/EDGE are rare, due to everyone needing them, they’re actually in a greater quantity. Now, some true A gap control 3-4 NTs or even DTs may have the ability to play a pass rushing Bgapp/3tech role, but they’re not asked to. From what I remember, the guy on the Eagles is a case in point. Actually, I think the one from Washington’s too.

In general DEs are much easier to neutralize than a 3tech, and not everyone uses a 3tech, so they’re rarer.

Thanks, this is the type comment/insight I was hoping for when I posted this thread, your knowledge and explanation is excellent and beyond my own. Again, thanks

 

[dentfan]

Thanks, this is the type comment/insight I was hoping for when I posted this thread, your knowledge and explanation is excellent and beyond my own. Again, thanks

Thanks. I’m a bit old school, so I use letters for defense and numbers for offense when it comes to the line. I can’t get my brain to get with calling a b gap a 3/4 hole.