Which Prospect Will Have The Biggest Impact?

Who will have the biggest impact?

  • CF Brett Jackson

    Votes: 7 41.2%

  • 1B Anthony Rizzo

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • SS Javier Baez

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • SP Trey McNutt

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • CF Matt Szczur

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 3B Josh Vitters

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • None of the above

    Votes: 1 5.9%
  • Total voters
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SilenceS

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I still don't trust Rizzo. I want to see his swing this year. If he hasn't changed, then he is going to have problems all year again.


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dabynsky said:
Trying to decide if I got a sarcastic thanks here for comments from two years ago...
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I was going to take a few shots but I decided to leave you alone :) its all in fun.


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DewsSox79 said:
I was going to take a few shots but I decided to leave you alone :) its all in fun.


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Meh I feel okay with the statements based on the information available at the time. A few things turned out to be prescient.
 
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Since it's been bumped.

1- Kris Bryant
2- Kris Bryant, etc,etc,etc
 

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dabynsky said:
Meh I feel okay with the statements based on the information available at the time. A few things turned out to be prescient.
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I thought brett jackson was going to be good as well. such a roller coaster with specs you just never know. everyone focus on the top specs and some late round pick not on the top spec radar comes up and is big time. crazy shit.


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patg006 said:
And yet many here seem to already know that the Cubs top prospects are guaranteed greatness.

The whole plan depends on it.
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Brett Jackson was one prospect and wasnt rated higher then any of our top 4. I love Jacksons game but the K's just got to be to much. The rest of his game is pretty awesome. The point I am making is we have 4 big shots not even talking about some others who keep rising. Eventually, the odds have to hit. If not, then the Cubs are fucked the rest of their existence.
 

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patg006 said:
And yet many here seem to already know that the Cubs top prospects are guaranteed greatness.

The whole plan depends on it.
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That is the main problem with the whole plan.

A ton of luck is going to be needed in order for this to work.

The main problem that I see is the lack of pitching on any level. That's great that they have a ton of infielders that have a high ceiling but what happens when some bust? Still no pitching. The cycle is pretty bad.

The only thing that can really save this franchise from another 3-4 years of "potential players" is if a few can pan out and you infuse already mlb ready talent via trade and FAcy. But it goes back to revenue streams that cannot be ignored, and the 80% of the team being financed.

If they go all in on just specs this could take well passed theos contract.
 
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DewsSox79 said:
That is the main problem with the whole plan.

A ton of luck is going to be needed in order for this to work.

The main problem that I see is the lack of pitching on any level. That's great that they have a ton of infielders that have a high ceiling but what happens when some bust? Still no pitching. The cycle is pretty bad.

The only thing that can really save this franchise from another 3-4 years of "potential players" is if a few can pan out and you infuse already mlb ready talent via trade and FAcy. But it goes back to revenue streams that cannot be ignored, and the 80% of the team being financed.

If they go all in on just specs this could take well passed theos contract.
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Some of those prospects have to be flipped for pitching. The Cubs are full of 3 through 5's in the farm but nothing front end material. They have a couple potentials but it will be difficult for them to get there. I truly believe they are stocking up on hitters because of the averages. Drafting a position player high is less of a risk then a pitcher. They eventually will look to trade for either proven MLB pitching or almost ready MLB pitching. They can not field a whole ML team with prospects. They also have some that dont fit. They will have to sign a left handed bat at some point. You are looking at Rizzo and Alcantara(switch hitter) as the only left handed bats close to ready. They also dont have many left handed bats in the minors. I believe they have enough power pitching to go in house for most of the bullpen. They will have at least a top 4 pick for the next 2 drafts. The minors will be stocked for some time thats when it is time for Theo to make his money.

The best the Cubs can hope for this year is for Baez to come up and prove himself. Alcantara will be here as well. Bryant will be lucky to see time in September. Almora and Soler are at least a year and a half away. We are going to see what these kids are made of sooner rather then later.
 

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Some of those prospects have to be flipped for pitching. The Cubs are full of 3 through 5's in the farm but nothing front end material. They have a couple potentials but it will be difficult for them to get there. I truly believe they are stocking up on hitters because of the averages. Drafting a position player high is less of a risk then a pitcher. They eventually will look to trade for either proven MLB pitching or almost ready MLB pitching. They can not field a whole ML team with prospects. They also have some that dont fit. They will have to sign a left handed bat at some point. You are looking at Rizzo and Alcantara(switch hitter) as the only left handed bats close to ready. They also dont have many left handed bats in the minors. I believe they have enough power pitching to go in house for most of the bullpen. They will have at least a top 4 pick for the next 2 drafts. The minors will be stocked for some time thats when it is time for Theo to make his money.

The best the Cubs can hope for this year is for Baez to come up and prove himself. Alcantara will be here as well. Bryant will be lucky to see time in September. Almora and Soler are at least a year and a half away. We are going to see what these kids are made of sooner rather then later.
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I just don't know when bringing up someone that has stellar potential can be too soon. I guess that's what the professional baseball minds are for in the teams system. If any of these guys start to rake in AAA or AA there is an argument for both sides for when they should come up.
 
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DewsSox79 said:
I just don't know when bringing up someone that has stellar potential can be too soon. I guess that's what the professional baseball minds are for in the teams system. If any of these guys start to rake in AAA or AA there is an argument for both sides for when they should come up.
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Why bring them up too soon when you can leave them in the minors so they can save a year of team control that everyone can fap over and go right ahead and sign them to a seven year contract making the point of saving the year of team control useless.
 
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Why bring them up too soon when you can leave them in the minors so they can save a year of team control that everyone can fap over and go right ahead and sign them to a seven year contract making the point of saving the year of team control useless.
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Whos ready besides maybe Baez? Alcantara has to see AAA and so does Baez. They arent worried about control with Olt. They just arent banking on him winning the starting job. A lot of people think Bryant could win the job next spring. They expect him in AAA in the second half for the playoff run. He kills the ball. The Cubs wont hold him back.
 
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It seem the plan is to keep tossing them against the wall and see who sticks.

I'm expecting Shark, Schierholtz and Castro traded. If Baez proves that he can keep his errors under check in Iowa Castro is not going to block him at SS.

If Castro bounces back he become solid trade bait for 1/2 SP prospects. NYY would be ideal with Jeter retiring except their pitching depth is not good. Would take a 3 team trade IMO. I would expect that deal to happen in the off-season baring injury.

Shark I have to expect he gets traded along with Schierholtz in July. Right now they have excess depth with Hammels and McDonald. If I had to make an early bet: Shark and Hammels get traded. They go forward with McDonald. He would cheaper and if fixed he had a top 5 unhitable pitch with his slider. I could see Hendricks given an opportunity to close out the year to see how his stuff translates at the next level.

The platoon in RF I expect traded out. Not expecting anything of quality in return. As back fill it depends. Right now would give it to Vitters if he hits this year. Or Jackson if he fixes himself. I don't expect Soler or Bryant to be rushed up.

There are too many factors going on but it makes sense to get some value built up with guys like Castro/Olt/Schierholtz/Hammels/Shark then sell high vs selling farm depth for rentals that will not fix this wreck.

I would rather have guys like Bryant and Baez on the team. Then build around them via F/A.
 
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Unless Castro sucks, he isn't going anywhere


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Unless Castro sucks, he isn't going anywhere


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I'd be more worried if he sucks. Then they can not get value out of him and are stuck with his salary.

Baez's D will dictate the future of SS. Not Castro.
 
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They aren't moving a "core" player for a guy who isn't the greatest ss defensively. Castro owns the job. You don't sign him to a contract to flip him a year later


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"Core" means little.

If Rizzo can get a 1-2 pitching prospect when Vogelbach is ready and he is blowing up AAA I would not bet against that trade.

The team has depth in position players and lacks depth in top of the rotation.

All of the top of the rotation are getting locked up by their teams.

Do the math. No one is untouchable. If Baez plays in Iowa and "remarkably" improves his D. (like 10 by July 1) don't expect Castro to hold that off.
 
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