Which side do you pick in a case such as this one?

[BNB]

It doesn't have to be this example... just one like it.

For example, I've been for some reason reading about the link between heart disease and high cholesterol. It has long been believed that high cholesterol is a big risk factor for heart disease. Go to any major health site or ask your doctor and they will tell you that's the case. Within the last few years, other doctors and scientists have questioned this belief and say there is no proof of this claim. They have even done their own studies showing that high cholesterol isn't a risk factor for heart disease. In fact, some of them say that LOW cholesterol can actually increase your chances of a heart attack as you get older. These doctors blame inflammation and refined carbs for heart disease... not fat.

What the general public is left with is two sides with equal credentials saying two completely different things.

So whether you use this example or another one, how do you decide which side is right?

 

[Rush]

Whichever one aligns with my religious beliefs...of course

 

[Nail Polish]

It doesn't have to be this example... just one like it.

For example, I've been for some reason reading about the link between heart disease and high cholesterol. It has long been believed that high cholesterol is a big risk factor for heart disease. Go to any major health site or ask your doctor and they will tell you that's the case. Within the last few years, other doctors and scientists have questioned this belief and say there is no proof of this claim. They have even done their own studies showing that high cholesterol isn't a risk factor for heart disease. In fact, some of them say that LOW cholesterol can actually increase your chances of a heart attack as you get older. These doctors blame inflammation and refined carbs for heart disease... not fat.

What the general public is left with is two sides with equal credentials saying two completely different things.

So whether you use this example or another one, how do you decide which side is right?

Its hard to choose which study is correct

I remember back around 2000 someone came out with a study that said "Homocysteine" was the cause of heart disease..It was done by an army doctor who did autopsies on soldiers KIA..Guys my age all went out and bought the B vitamins suggested to control it...3 years later another study came out and said the 1st one was BS, and you were wasting your money on B vitamins.


All you can do is go by what your doctor tells you..If he is a good doctor, and if you trust him as you should, most times you will be on the right side of things

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

 

[Nail Polish]

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[Chief Walking Stick]

I have high cholesterol, reported.

 

[ijustposthere]

Isn't there good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and high levels of the bad cholesterol contribute to clogged arteries and heart disease? That said, they very well both be right. There's no way you'll convince me that high cholesterol isn't dangerous, since it creates a plaque that hardens the arteries, and can create blood clots that lead directly to strokes and heart attacks. However, I'm pretty sure cholesterol that's too low is dangerous for you is well. I think you're supposed to stay in a sweet spot between HDL and LDL levels.

 

[ijustposthere]

I have high cholesterol, reported.

Posting bacon is a bannable offense. I've seen it happen before.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Posting bacon is a bannable offense. I've seen it happen before.

I didn't see that mentioned in rule #6

 

[HeHateMe]

Eskimos eat cholesterol. Its high in their diet. Their population has a very low rate of heart disease.

 

[Rush]

Looking forward to banning you turds and the ensuing threads questioning said ban.

 

[ijustposthere]

Eskimos eat cholesterol. Its high in their diet. Their population has a very low rate of heart disease.

Isn't their diet high in fish?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Looking forward to banning you turds and the ensuing threads questioning said ban.

banning for being Eskimo? Wouldn't that be a racially charged ban?

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

yes, and whale fat.

 

[ijustposthere]

yes, and whale fat.

But I don't think fat itself has proven to raise cholesterol. I believe it has something to do with processed foods.

 

[BNB]

Isn't there good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and high levels of the bad cholesterol contribute to clogged arteries and heart disease? That said, they very well both be right. There's no way you'll convince me that high cholesterol isn't dangerous, since it creates a plaque that hardens the arteries, and can create blood clots that lead directly to strokes and heart attacks. However, I'm pretty sure cholesterol that's too low is dangerous for you is well. I think you're supposed to stay in a sweet spot between HDL and LDL levels.

There is a population that eats a shit ton of coconut. Coconut has a lot of Saturated fat. Saturated fat highers cholesterol. This population has very low levels of heart disease.

I saw a study that said 50% of people that die of heart disease have high cholesterol. What does that mean? That 50% die with low/moderate levels of cholesterol. In fact, cholesterol is actually very important to us.

Plus, there is a lot of shady shit with big pharma going on in terms of cholesterol. In the early 00's, a pan in the U.S. made up of 9 doctors lowered the level of where out cholesterol needs to be. In order to achieve these levels, patients needed to get on Statins. 8 of these 9 doctors were found to be connected to Statin companies.

 

[1COBearsfan]

Isn't there good cholesterol and bad cholesterol, and high levels of the bad cholesterol contribute to clogged arteries and heart disease? That said, they very well both be right. There's no way you'll convince me that high cholesterol isn't dangerous, since it creates a plaque that hardens the arteries, and can create blood clots that lead directly to strokes and heart attacks. However, I'm pretty sure cholesterol that's too low is dangerous for you is well. I think you're supposed to stay in a sweet spot between HDL and LDL levels.

There is another for of ldl (bad) cholesterol that is actually good for you. In general, however, your ldl should be low and your hdl should be high. A better marker of heart disease is triglycerides, which should be low. There are some good books about obesity, heart disease, & cholesterol that explain why what everyone has been told about heart health for a long time is false.
Basically, fat is good for you and carbs (especially simple carbs) are bad for you

 

[Crystallas]

This is my problem with this influx of ADHD and the false dichotomy argument mentality that we have today. It leads to instant polarization and also pushes a lot of bad science with extraordinary bias.

So why take a side? I haven't done research myself. If I did my own research, then I could contribute. I could even contribute without going straight to a conclusion. If you're worried about heart disease, then why not seek something in the middle. I do believe everything can have some benefit in moderation(which varies for each reasonable food consumed, and varies for each person as well.) Both arguments have merit, and so does the data. Some cholesterol is okay, and even beneficial. Excessive cholesterol is bad. This is the common denominator in most of these studies, and syncs up with experiences that myself, friends, and family shared about improving their heart health. How true that may be is totally irrelevant to me because I personally have a clean bill of heart health. If I had to make adjustments, then I'm going to take the right steps and see what has the most positive impact. I eat eggs and butter every other day. I used to cut out both, because of their cholesterol content, and I started getting mineral deposits. I learned later that cutting out certain high cholesterol foods led me to a vitamin K2 deficiency, and once I started getting that vitamin K2 back in my diet, those mineral deposits went away in a matter of weeks.

So even if you apply a linear focus with diet, you could target one potential issue, and wind up ignoring another one. Balance is everything. Listening to your body's signs and making adjustments are crucial to improving your health. It doesn't have to be so damn polarizing.

 

[Urblock]

I went all in on the no meat chicken thing. **** that. I got anemic and started having ocular migraines. Lack of B12 will **** you up.

 

[TCD]

Eskimos eat cholesterol. Its high in their diet. Their population has a very low rate of heart disease.

Eskimos also don't sit around on their asses much watching football games eating fried eggs and steak 4 times a week, downing doritos and coke, and drinking beer. Nor in their traditional lifestyles do they deal with the same levels of stress we allow our ourselves to be plagued with (from our own doing most of the time). The correlation isn't as clear as "eat cholesterol for low heart disease".

All these sort of health researching always omits other fucking variables in their studies or don't care to mention them one of the biggest being.........

EXCSERFUCKINGSIZE!!!