Which veteran should Derrick Rose study?

[JakeN7]

Thought this was a pretty interesting question, Thrope wrote about it on ESPN this is what he said:

Veterans are often the best examples for rookies, in both approach and skills. Here are my choices for which players some of the top rookies should seek to emulate. This is not a direct comparison, but a guide to point out areas of improvement for the rookie class.


Derrick Rose: Chauncey Billups



A dynamic and unselfish talent, Rose must become more of a thinker on the floor. Right now, he often just reacts to what he's confronted with.

Billups, on the other hand, is like a computer, rapidly figuring out the odds of each decision he faces and the consequences of each action. As opposed to college guys who pass only to open players, guys such as Billups find ways to get their better players open, then get them the ball.

When Rose learns this part of the game, while still factoring in his own scoring talents, he'll join the upper tier of the league's point guards.

What do you guys think?


Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=thorpe_david&page=RookieStudy09-Rose

 

[Morten Jensen]

I sort of disagree and agree with Chauncey. There's no reason for Derrick not to utilize his athleticsm, so Billups might not be the best comparison given that they don't share athletic attributes. Then again, when it comes to IQ and court vision, Chauncey is one of the best.

My pick; Jason Kidd. Jason was an excellent defender, excellent rebounder, excellent passer but never much of a scorer. Derrick has that aspect, but needs to fill up his game like Kidd.

Imagine prime Jason Kidd with a dangerous scoring touch... MVP, anyone?

EDIT: Completely forgot to add that the reason I chose Kidd was due to Derrick's ability to rebound the ball and push the ball. They are very similar in that regard.

 

[Basghetti80]

I lean towards Billups more than Kidd. I think Rose has much more scoring and shot making ability than Kidd. He is not a veteran but a more athletic Deron Williams is whom I like Rose to be. I think as time moves on it will be important for Rose to really understand and learn how to operate in the half court. His ability to run an offense and carry a team in the half court will have a huge impact on whether we become a title contender down the road.

 

[the_future420]

I would go with Kidd as well, but the thing that makes Kidd so special is his all-around game and court vision. Sure, he can study Kidd's defensive techniques and his positioning that helped him grab a ton of boards, but I don't know if court vision can be learned. Not saying Rose doesn't have court-vision, its just not an elite level ala Kidd.

 

[fola]

the_future420 wrote:

but I don't know if court vision can be learned. .

I know a lot of people say that, but I just don’t know that I necessarily agree.

Growing up I was always one of the ‘big’ guys, I was about 6ft by the time I was 13 or 14. So I was always a back to the basket guy. But when I got to high school (and stopped growing) I realized I was going to have to change my game in order to be even mildly competitive. So I focused on my passing, dribbling, and over all endurance as those were the things I thought I needed most as I was never that fast. Honestly, I think the thing that helped me the most was the fact that I had a buddy that would make spend hours trying to throw him an alley oop. It looks ridiculously easy, but is the total opposite. To be good at it, you have to have a lot of ‘touch’. As I got better at it I notice myself being better at weaving all sorts of passes in general. Which just made me start taking more risk. Soon enough I was throwing behind the back passes with the best of em’. I honestly thing the main reason there aren’t a lot of elite passers in the league, is because there aren’t a lot of people who want to be elite passers.
All that said, I understand that the gymnasium of Thornwood high school is a little different than the NBA, but only slightly so….

 

[dougthonus]

I don't know how much you learn by watching someone else. Jason Kidd's strengths overlap Rose's weaknesses except for the shooting.

 

[sdeezy]

Is this for current players?..if not i'd give Rose a bunch of Kevin Johnson tapes and say Go!

 

[Rerisen]

Study Wade and Ivereson as far as getting into the lane and drawing fouls. Otherwise, I don't think he needs much study on offense, he is going to develop naturally on his own.

On defense, he needs to study anyone who plays it, from his own teammate Hinrich, to guys like Billups and Kidd.

 

[Ralphb07]

Rerisen wrote:

Study Wade and Ivereson as far as getting into the lane and drawing fouls. Otherwise, I don't think he needs much study on offense, he is going to develop naturally on his own.

On defense, he needs to study anyone who plays it, from his own teammate Hinrich, to guys like Billups and Kidd.

With this post I'm finally out of the Luc Longley status which I hated so much...

I would say Wade too. I think rose will be more of a scorer in this league and Wade would be someone to study.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

I'm not sure there is a comparison that works because derrick is capable, in a few years, of doing it all, and doing it all at an elite level.

His athleticism is at an elite level for PG's already.
His mid range jump shot is solid, and will only get better.
His 3 point shot is one of his two main weaknesses. This can be improved in the offseason.
His defense is the other main weakness, and probably the worst of the two. VDN is not helping his development in this area at all.
His transition offense, passing ability, driving ability and finishing around the rim is already fantastic, and will only get better.

If you try to peg that to a current all star pg, billups is probably the closest. But Rose already has him, by far, on athleticism and ability to finish at the rim. If he can get to the Billups level in terms of defense, 3 point shot and leadership, he will be one of the best ever to play that pg position.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

It may sound weird but I would love Rose to speak to Gary Payton and watch old games of his. I want Derrick to be more vocal and learn how to play better D and which player would be better than the glove?

 

[JakeN7]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

It may sound weird but I would love Rose to speak to Gary Payton and watch old games of his. I want Derrick to be more vocal and learn how to play better D and which player would be better than the glove?

Good call! I agree with that, the Glove although extremely obnoxious on NBAtv would be an awesome player to mentor Derrick. His defensive tenacity was unmatched at his position, and was an excellent vocal leader like you said.

 

[Krish]

I agree - I want Rose to be as good as Wade on the offensive end and I want him to watch Pippen's tape as far as defense goes. If he becomes half as good as Pippen was on the D end, he will be superstar in a hurry.

 

[cool007]

Krish wrote:

I agree - I want Rose to be as good as Wade on the offensive end and I want him to watch Pippen's tape as far as defense goes. If he becomes half as good as Pippen was on the D end, he will be superstar in a hurry.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Krish wrote:

I agree - I want Rose to be as good as Wade on the offensive end and I want him to watch Pippen's tape as far as defense goes. If he becomes half as good as Pippen was on the D end, he will be superstar in a hurry.

Pippens length made him a great defender. I would want Rose to study defense from a pg.

 

[Bullsman24]

i think on d he should watch cp3. he has the physical skills to grab many steals, or maybe even d-wade, because wade is all over the place on d forcing turnovers.

for offense, he should watch d-wade, and for passing he should watch some cp3-tyson hookups, and try that on tyrus. or even joakim.

 

[J-Mart]

I want him to try and model his game off Chris Paul personally. I hope he watches tapes of multiple PGs not just one.

 

[rodman]

sdeezy wrote:

Is this for current players?..if not i'd give Rose a bunch of Kevin Johnson tapes and say Go!

As soon as I saw this question I thought the exact same thing. KJ was a heck of a player and Derrick could learn a lot from watching him.

 

[Morten Jensen]

I would never have Rose talk to Gary Payton. Watch tape of him, sure. But talk to him? Gary would be filling his head with all kind of nonsense.

 

[dougthonus]

I think any of those guys have a lot of non sense going on. It's incredible the thought process of the people in those positions, but it makes sense for them.