Which veteran should Derrick Rose study?

[cool007]

bullsman24 wrote:

i think on d he should watch cp3. he has the physical skills to grab many steals, or maybe even d-wade, because wade is all over the place on d forcing turnovers.

for offense, he should watch d-wade, and for passing he should watch some cp3-tyson hookups, and try that on tyrus. or even joakim.

CP3 is NOT a good defender. He is a good actor and a gambler - those 2 things don't make a good defender.

Not implying at you, but media and other fans just look at steals and think he is a good defender but if that is what it was then Iverson is a career long good defender.

 

[Syd Barrett RIP]

It would be fantastic if he could learn Wade's ability to draw fouls and some of Payton's defense. Hopefully he'll get to the line a lot more as a sophomore.

 

[boogernights]

Slightly off topic, what did Rose study in college?


Study John Stockton!

 

[NOELAD82]

Rather than watch other PG's to emulate I think he should watch them to learn their tendencies to better dfend agianst them. His style on offense should be his own.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

NOELAD82 wrote:

Rather than watch other PG's to emulate I think he should watch them to learn their tendencies to better dfend agianst them. His style on offense should be his own.

This goes along with what I think. He has the ability to be PG unlike anything we've seen before. Not necessarily the best PG ever, but his unique combination of skill, speed, agility and overall size is pretty rare and he could be amazing down the road.

 

[fola]

cool007 wrote:

bullsman24 wrote:

i think on d he should watch cp3. he has the physical skills to grab many steals, or maybe even d-wade, because wade is all over the place on d forcing turnovers.

for offense, he should watch d-wade, and for passing he should watch some cp3-tyson hookups, and try that on tyrus. or even joakim.

CP3 is NOT a good defender. He is a good actor and a gambler - those 2 things don't make a good defender.

Not implying at you, but media and other fans just look at steals and think he is a good defender but if that is what it was then Iverson is a career long good defender.

thats exactly what I was going to say, luckily I checked before hitting enter.

 

[winos5]

League looking at Hossa's contract....again

http://www.cknw.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1262977



http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devi..._4wqFiOx6WIW0ufCLOEupKJ?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=



Wouldn't the NHL have to address each individual contract, thereby giving Hossa and the NHLPA an arbitration hearing? Is addressing these additional contracts outside the role of his arbitration between Kovie/NHLPA and the NHL?



Given the Hossa's contract stood for a season, isn't it a bit late to say it circumvented the cap.



Don't you have to throw Zetterberg's contract into the ring as well?

 

[Guest]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

This will directly lead to a Strike. Keep pushing Bettman and you will completely ruin the NHL.



You can not go back. This should have been taken care of by FIXING the loop hole in the CBA year after next.



Anyone want to know why Buttman is a dumb ****!



NHLPA is going to go on strike if he keeps pushing this.

 

[winos5]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

"Bettman under Article 26 would then be in position to levy debilitating penalties including fines up to $5 million; forfeiture of an unspecified number of draft picks; and, and this is the kicker as applies to the Blackhawks, "a forfeiture of any NHL Game(s) determined to have been affected by a Circumvention."

Hossa was in the lineup for 22 playoff games last spring. Presumably his presence affected the outcome of at least some Chicago victories. If the NHL is consistent and does move to prosecute the Blackhawks and Hossa, Bettman could vacate the title..."



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devils/b ... z0wDWYFdWD



That would suck ass.

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

Any revoking of the title, would just make the NHL a huge joke and just make ESPN drop any interest in broadcasting the games. But wouldn't it be just a typical Chicago curse that a title won after a 49 year drought would be revoked due to some Mickey Mouse actions by the league.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

[quote name="winos5"]"Bettman under Article 26 would then be in position to levy debilitating penalties including fines up to $5 million; forfeiture of an unspecified number of draft picks; and, and this is the kicker as applies to the Blackhawks, "a forfeiture of any NHL Game(s) determined to have been affected by a Circumvention."

Hossa was in the lineup for 22 playoff games last spring. Presumably his presence affected the outcome of at least some Chicago victories. If the NHL is consistent and does move to prosecute the Blackhawks and Hossa, Bettman could vacate the title..."



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/devils/b ... z0wDWYFdWD



That would suck ass.[/quote]

If that ever happened I would stop being a fan. I wouldn't be mad at the Hawks but I just couldn't watch a league that took away our championshiop title. I wouldn't want to suppot that league with any of my money.

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

The loss of the championship would put a whole new twist on the Hossa curse.LOL.

 

[noon]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

The NY Post isn't exactly known for its journalistic integrity. This strikes me as nothing more than sensationalism. The Kovalchuk and Hossa contracts are materially different in structure -- Kovalchuk's extended until he was 44 and Hossa's only until 42, but more significantly compare the salaries in the last years of each -- Hossa's is significantly more reasonable Further, the league registered the Hossa contract. And, while the CBA does provide for de-registering and challenging a contract after it has been registered on the grounds of circumvention, such challenge must be brought within 60 days from the date on which the FACTS of the circumvention became known or reasonably should have been known. No new facts regarding Hossa's contract have come to light.

 

[winos5]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

[quote name="noon"]The NY Post isn't exactly known for its journalistic integrity. This strikes me as nothing more than sensationalism. The Kovalchuk and Hossa contracts are materially different in structure -- Kovalchuk's extended until he was 44 and Hossa's only until 42, but more significantly compare the salaries in the last years of each -- Hossa's is significantly more reasonable Further, the league registered the Hossa contract. And, while the CBA does provide for de-registering and challenging a contract after it has been registered on the grounds of circumvention, such challenge must be brought within 60 days from the date on which the FACTS of the circumvention became known or reasonably should have been known. No new facts regarding Hossa's contract have come to light.[/quote]



That's why it is total bullshit to allow the arbitrator or any arbitrator to examine other contracts than Kovie's. If the NHL didn't challenge the contact in that 1st 60 days, IMO, they are affirming the legitamacy of said contract.

 

[LordKOTL]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

I'm willing to bet if he did do something like that--vacate the title, he would have to seek exhile in Liechtenstein after all of the death threats he would receive.



Plus, don't you think that the board of governors would sooner fire Bettman than risk damaging the sport like that?

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

AFAIK, there is no arbitrator currently investigating any contracts. The arbitrator only cited the Hossa & co. contracts in his ruling of the Kovalchuk deal. The League is the one investigating these contracts and can then decide if they want to take it to the system arbitrator, who they now have. Any contesting of these contracts will of course be protested by the NHLPA and the whole mess starts over. I just can't see the hassle be worth it. The NHL, with good cause put their foot down with the Kovy deal and won it, deservedly. Let the other contracts stand as is. They might be bending the rules, but not as blatantly as the Kovy deal.

 

[jakobeast]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

[quote name="LordKOTL"]I'm willing to bet if he did do something like that--vacate the title, he would have to seek exhile in Liechtenstein after all of the death threats he would receive.



Plus, don't you think that the board of governors would sooner fire Bettman than risk damaging the sport like that?[/quote]



Agreed. I don't think the owners want the title to be stripped away. If it happens to the Hawks it could happen to any team.



I dare Bettman to to do that.

 

[noon]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

[quote name="winos5"][/b]



That's why it is total bullshit to allow the arbitrator or any arbitrator to examine other contracts than Kovie's. If the NHL didn't challenge the contact in that 1st 60 days, IMO, they are affirming the legitamacy of said contract.[/quote]



That's why no arbitrators are hearing any other challenges and I doubt they will.

 

[Guest]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

[quote name="noon"]



That's why no arbitrators are hearing any other challenges and I doubt they will.[/quote]





I agree. It would be pretty sad and comical watching them try and go back in time. Luongo, Pronger, Savard, Hossa, Zetterburg... How many would they now have to go back and decide.



They should have waited to remedy the situation with the new CBA year after next. The NHL can not handle another work stoppage.

 

[phranchk]

Re: Kovie arbitor looking at Hossa's contract.

I would hope the league wouldn't be stupid enough to do this. It would pretty much ruin the league. It's looking more and more like the KHL could become the predominant league for players to go to if this crap continues.