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Yeah, because a handful of closing situations from one season should decide whether Thornton should be the closer. And for his career as a reliever, Thornton hasn't been any worse in the 9th inning and/or save situations than what his aggregate stats show.

Career Totals as Reliever: 1.262 WHIP, 2.60 K/BB, .022 HR%

Career 9th Inning Totals: 1.271 WHIP, 3.41 K/BB, .018 HR%

Career in Save Situations: 1.283 WHIP, 2.59 K/BB, .021 HR%

Here's the thing, though: studies have shown that the best way to use a closer (or, "relief ace") is when the game's Leverage (the value of one run scored or given up in the current game configuration relative to the value of a run scored/surrendered at the start of the game) is at its highest point, which isn't always in the 9th inning. The trick of it is, there is no real way to know how the leverage will fluctuate from point A to point B in any given game.

All that being said, Thornton is without a doubt, the best reliever on this team right now; he is the relief ace. Everyone needs to chill out with all this talk about Chris Sale: he met great success last year, true, but in only 23 innings in his first stint in the MLB. So while it was great to see Sale contribute immediately upon arriving in the MLB, he is certainly not a reason to pass up Matt Thornton for the closing job, or rather role of "relief ace". If the team chooses to use their ace strictly in the 9th or perhaps 8th inning and label him "the closer", that reliever should be Thornton, without question.

I agree with you, a small sample size is not the best way to judge a player, that goes with Sale or Thornton. As I said before I am of the opinion that you shouldn't fix what isn't broke, Thornton should stay in the set-up role he has been in. But I also can see the point that as the best relief pitcher in the bullpen he has "earned", for lack of a better word, the opportunity to close.
 

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If the team chooses to use their ace strictly in the 9th or perhaps 8th inning and label him "the closer", that reliever should be Thornton, without question.

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"eh, fuk u. U dink u know mo bout my ballclub dan me? My closer ony come in de ballgame in de nient."
 

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Good article on Sox website:

Jesse Crain's three-year contract with White Sox official | whitesox.com: News

Dunn...Konerko...Crain... Can we take out the Twinkies in 2011? :smug2:

you have to also look at the loses the twins have lost. hudson, guirrier, crain,pavano, thome (probably), hardy.

i know they got the asian guy but we will see how that works out.

reports have morneu suffering more than one concussion due to his previous hockey days.

i think this division is ours to lose, and if we dont win the division i may end up quitting on the entire franchise.
 

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That depends on which Jesse Crain shows up. If the Sox get the 07-09 version of him, that's bad news bears. The 2010 incarnation, however, would be a very welcome addition. To be honest, I really don't know which Crain to expect; he had a lower-end BABIP in 2010 (.270), and a really lucky run in the HR/FB department over the last two seasons (4.9% and 6.3%, respectively), so we could be getting a guy going the wrong way in terms of regression to the mean.
 

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That depends on which Jesse Crain shows up. If the Sox get the 07-09 version of him, that's bad news bears. The 2010 incarnation, however, would be a very welcome addition. To be honest, I really don't know which Crain to expect; he had a lower-end BABIP in 2010 (.270), and a really lucky run in the HR/FB department over the last two seasons (4.9% and 6.3%, respectively), so we could be getting a guy going the wrong way in terms of regression to the mean.

what was their alternative at this point, ya lost putz and jenks....and traded linestink.
 

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what was their alternative at this point, ya lost putz and jenks....and traded linestink.

There wasn't really an alternative, at least not one that was viable (i.e. if Kerry Wood wasn't being a gigantic meatball ******). That still doesn't change the fact that the Sox could get caught on the wrong side of a Crain regression season or two.
 

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im very worried about the closer role.

With the closer being either Thornton or Sale, I'm not worried about that as much as the over-all flow from starters to relievers/setup to closer. I'm anxious to see how this all plays out during the off-season and Spring Training.
 

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Again, Sale is going to be in the rotation with Peavy out.
 
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Again, Sale is going to be in the rotation with Peavy out.

Possibly, but there's talk of a 4-man rotation. Originally, Kenny talked about Chris in the Starter role, but the last thing that was discussed was Sale and Thornton in setup/closer roles. I wish we still had Putz too...
 
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Possibly, but there's talk of a 4-man rotation. Originally, Kenny talked about Chris in the Starter role, but the last thing that was discussed was Sale and Thornton in setup/closer roles. I wish we still had Putz...

im begging the team to not put sale in the rotation
 

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Again, Sale is going to be in the rotation with Peavy out.

Don Cooper said that he doesnt like using Sale in the rotation to replace Peavy and then move him to the 'Pen, stating Sales devlopment. there is the 4 man rotation possibility or giving long reliever Pena some spot starts.
 

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sale in the rotation is not good. i wouldnt mind him as the closer.
 

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His mechanics imply that being a starter would make him, lets say, less durable for a lack of better words.

Sale is better off in the pen for his sake and the teams.
 

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His mechanics imply that being a starter would make him, lets say, less durable for a lack of better words.

Sale is better off in the pen for his sake and the teams.

Best way I can put it, is that he looks wayyyyy to close to Strausberg to be comfortable. Also, for him to be a starter he would need to workout as one during spring training, but without a sport in the rotation that would not make sense because you cannot work him out as a starter all spring and then just use him as a starter for 4 or 5 starts and then put him in the pen. that could potentially mess up a young starter
 

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