Who are all the great QB gurus?

[DanielCCSBears]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

 

[TezMaKai]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

Clearly you, right?

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

Nobody knows. People just go with what player has shined and who was coaching them. They check out the OC, the QB coach, the assistant OC, etc. then they research to see how much he was involved in the QBs success. And then they make a decision on who to hire. And guess what, with all that, it’s still a crapshoot. Because everything is different now. So it’s more luck. Your chances are just higher on selecting someone who did have a part of making a QB get better, understands the concepts, and is football intelligent. But that doesn’t automatically mean you’re going to get one that works. Hell, there’s even new guys that are put on the spot to coach a QB and they make it happen. Due to his coaching beliefs that worked and also having the right QB. Sometimes you get lucky like that. Sometimes you don’t. And we haven’t gotten lucky. So you keep repeating the process until you finally get lucky. That may be in 2 years or 120 years. Know one knows.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Because Trey Lance got hurt early. We don’t know if he will ever be good. Daniel Jones sucks.

Shanny has a long history of running great offenses with different QBs. He’s obviously doing something right.

 

[doctorbear]

Nobody knows. People just go with what player has shined and who was coaching them. They check out the OC, the QB coach, the assistant OC, etc. then they research to see how much he was involved in the QBs success. And then they make a decision on who to hire. And guess what, with all that, it’s still a crapshoot. Because everything is different now. So it’s more luck. Your chances are just higher on selecting someone who did have a part of making a QB get better, understands the concepts, and is football intelligent. But that doesn’t automatically mean you’re going to get one that works. Hell, there’s even new guys that are put on the spot to coach a QB and they make it happen. Dude to what he coached worked and also having the right QB. Sometimes you get lucky like that. Sometimes you don’t. And we haven’t gotten lucky. So you keep repeating the process until you finally get lucky. That may be in 2 years or 120 years. Know one knows.

Agreed.

The important thing is cutting ties when you know the coach is not it, and don’t do the complete opposite the next time just because it didn’t work out.

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

Agreed.

The important thing is cutting ties when you know the coach is not it, and don’t do the complete opposite the next time just because it didn’t work out.

I agree as well. They have been trying though. It’s not like they go out there and try to find someone to fail. They've just had horrible luck for almost all the years after our Super Bowl win. Just fucking unfortunate man. It’s sucks ass but hey, it is what it is.

 

[94c4lt1]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

Andy Reid. Every QB under him has thrived.

Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, now HOF-bound Pat Mahomes.

 

[PrimeTime]

It's less about having a so called QB guru and more about putting your QB in position to succeed. And that starts from the GM on down. I really doubt Purdy or Goff look anything like they do now if they are QB1 for the Bears. GM builds a very good o-line, smart play callers putting their QB in a position where they dictate what the offense is doing instead of letting the defense dictate where Fields has to figure out where the ball is going. Brady said he rarely had to go to his 2nd or 3rd read because he knew where he was going with the ball at the snap. We really don't know who's fault it was for the strip sack for a defensive TD against the Broncos. This was the 7th naked bootleg of the game for the Bears. The Broncos adjust with Bonitto lining up unblocked off the right edge. We'd like to believe Getsy had a hot read for this or just a simple check with me with RB1. Either Justin didn't see it or Getsey thought he could just keep running naked bootlegs. Either way, this is not the things you see when watching offenses like the 49ers. Good offensive coaches combined with good o-lines will usually bring out the best in a QB.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Andy Reid. Every QB under him has thrived.

Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, now HOF-bound Pat Mahomes.

Andy Reid is an f’n genius. Its a shame that didn’t rub off on Nagy’s bald head.

 

[Doubledown]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

Might be hard to develop when they are shell shocked from the beginning.

“That type of game can have permanent damage. That type of game … that was hard to watch. He took a lot of free hits that game. When you’re asking a player to be poise and confident in the pocket, and to trust your protection, you can’t see downfield and process if you don’t trust your protection.”

Was Chicago Bears QB Justin Fields Doomed From the Start?

Chicago Bears QB Justin Fields' lack of success might be attributed to an organizational failure that dates back to his debut in 2021.

www.bleachernation.com

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Might be hard to develop when they are shell shocked from the beginning.

“That type of game can have permanent damage. That type of game … that was hard to watch. He took a lot of free hits that game. When you’re asking a player to be poise and confident in the pocket, and to trust your protection, you can’t see downfield and process if you don’t trust your protection.”

Was Chicago Bears QB Justin Fields Doomed From the Start?

Chicago Bears QB Justin Fields' lack of success might be attributed to an organizational failure that dates back to his debut in 2021.

www.bleachernation.com

Yeah I heard that discussion on 670 the score. If he's that mentally soft that he can't overcome one bad game let alone his first game then he doesn't have it.

Given the way he continuously collapses in the fourth quarter it's obvious he doesn't have it at all and NEVER will.

 

[Anytime23]

You're wrong about everything. Please shut the fuck up. Thx.

PS you haven't made a single cent on any of your football content the past 15 years.

 

[sevvy]

Why is every sentence a paragraph?

Oh shit, now I'm doing it, and I look like a fucking idiot.

Hey guys, I'm a journalist!

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[nc0gnet0]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709566467908268493

 

[dabears70]

Andy Reid
Kyle Shanahan
Pete Carrol
Jim Harbaugh
Sean McVay
Matt LaFleur seems like he could be another one

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I keep hearing about how the coaches have ruined Justin Fields and it's the fault of the Bears for not developing a great QB.

Okay so who are the coaches that have been so great with developing more than one QB during their coaching tenures?

Who are the coaches that are QB coaches turned offensive coordinators turned head coaches that have gone from developing guys like Aaron Rodgers Philip Rivers Matt Ryan over the last 25 years and then gone onto success?

If it's so easy to develop a guy to be good then why did Kyle Shannahan struggle to develop a QB? Shannahan is a QB guru? Then why did Trey Lance just bust? If it's such a QB friendly system then why did Lance fail?

Why is Daboll now failing with Daniel Jones? Daboll had one decent season from Jones and now the real Daniel Jones is back.

If it's all about coaching and development there should be more than just Bruce Arians and Andy Reid from the last 30 years who have coached more than one QB in their careers.

Why did Mike Martz fail so spectacularly in Detroit? Why did Kurt Warner make the Rams better?

Matt Eberflus and Luke Getsy may be shitty coaches but Justin Fields is going to be a shitty QB no matter where he goes.

Clearly there’s only you.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

You're wrong about everything. Please shut the fuck up. Thx.

PS you haven't made a single cent on any of your football content the past 15 years.

Then how does he afford the food that made him and his daughter fat?

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Yeah I heard that discussion on 670 the score. If he's that mentally soft that he can't overcome one bad game let alone his first game then he doesn't have it.

Given the way he continuously collapses in the fourth quarter it's obvious he doesn't have it at all and NEVER will.

You are an ignorant fat pos.

 

[TezMaKai]

Andy Reid
Kyle Shanahan
Pete Carrol
Jim Harbaugh
Sean McVay
Matt LaFleur seems like he could be another one

You are top tier bozo of the highest order.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Andy Reid is an f’n genius. Its a shame that didn’t rub off on Nagy’s bald head.

The problem is Ego. So many, SOOOO MANY Offensive Coordinators want the credit for "creating" a quarterback. They draft guys, and then immediately start fucking everything that got them drafted in order to make them exactly like "joe pro Hall of Famer" they were QB coach under, without ever realizing what made that quarterback great. Even now, Getsy is trying to make Fields into Aaron Rodgers - look at the play style, the ask, etc.


Reid is build different. He goes into it with NO ego. He sees a QB, says "ok, what does this QB do well already?" and then proceeds to build the offense AROUND that. Sure, there are some things he will still work on with those quarterbacks, but what he gives them to improve on is often complementary to what they already do, rather than "I know better than you, Mr. First Round Quarterback, so forget everything you learned and do what I tell you!" that most OCs and offensive-minded coaches tend to lean into, because of their hideously bloated egos.


With good coaches, I think Fields would have been ok. He would have been an above average starter in the league - likely Dak Prescott, Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins tier.

Coaches matter. But there are just so few good ones....