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Well, this is a thread about villains...so I suppose breaking the rules should be encouraged.Why would I follow the rules?
Well, this is a thread about villains...so I suppose breaking the rules should be encouraged.Why would I follow the rules?
It is assumed throughout the film that the hotel is infected with these bad spirits that compel Jack to kill his family, but ignore the fact that Danny is the one with supernatural powers. He sets events into motion that are designed to drive his abusive father crazy.
His mind control over Jack even extends to Jack never striking Wendy. Jack goes down too easy during the scene with the bat and gives up too easy once he has Wendy trapped in the bathroom.
The one person Jack does kill quickly and easily is the cook Halloran.
Why?
Because he is the one that figures out what Danny is. So he dies as soon as he returns to the hotel.
Also...did you really think a ghost lets Jack out of that freezer?
Nope...Danny lets him out to play out the dark third act that is really just an elaborate way for Danny to make Jack commit suicide so Danny and Wendy are finally free of him.
It is no secret that Stephen King hated Kubrick's film and I believe it has to do with everyone walking out of the theater believing Jack was the villain.This is very interesting, and unlike the situation with brett, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
It is no secret that Stephen King hated Kubrick's film and I believe it has to do with everyone walking out of the theater believing Jack was the villain.
(This thread sure backed that up)
He is a far more sympathetic character in the book, but I think Kubrick actually does a better job of vilifying Danny than King does.
Jack is the protagonist of The Shining, but calling him the good guy or hero is off base too.I never heard any of this before. I always just assumed Jack was the bad guy, even before the Overlook he would get liquored up and beat his kid. Good for him, he's going to try to stop drinking and beating his child, nice, not exactly heroic.
I never read the book, was Jack in the picture from the 1920's in the book? Because that implied that Jacks spirit or reincarnation is part of whatever happened there.
Why would I follow the rules?
A few not mentioned yet.
Thulsa Doom (James Earl Jones) from Conan the Barbarian
Tom Ripley (Matt Damon) from the Talented Mr. Ripley
Carl Showalter/Gaear Grimsrud (Steve Buscemi/Peter Stormare) from Fargo
Little Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman) from Unforgiven
Couple more to throw out there:
Gary Oldman in The Professional
Luther in The Warriors
Funny but Spacey as 2 of my top 5 as mine are more heavily weighted towards whether the villain actually won.
1. Keyser Soze - Hands down for me because dude was so bad ass and completely defeated all the forces against him. Great performance by Spacey in this role.
2. The Joker - Ledger just nailed his portrayal here to the point it exceeded Nicholson's take (Nicholson would probably be in my top 10).
3. Darth Vader - Probably the first villain I ever loved so this one has some nostalgia for me.
4. Amon Goeth - Fiennes was just pure evil in Schindler's list. When the dude is about to hang and calmly fixes his hair before saying Heil Hitler, that shit chilled me to the bone with how much of an unrepetent ****** Goeth was.
5. Spacey in 7 - You barely see him throughout the movie but dude was just a demented **** who gets bonus points for ultimately winning at the end by driving Pitt's character over the line.
While Oldman and Lee's performances aren't bad, I certainly don't think they are exceptional in any way.Lugosi will always top the list, but you have to dig pretty deep to find some bad ones. For sure check out Klaus Linski in the Herzog flick. Probably the most frightening version of the vampire.
I would say:
1. Bela Lugosi
2. Klaus Kinski
3. Gary Oldman
4. Chistopher Lee
5. Max Schreck
(Runner up: Frank Langella)
You and I disagree on the definition of a win.
Just messing with you remy.
1. Soze - Went from complete freedom to a prisoner.
2. Joker - Went from total freedom to solitary confinement for life.
3. Darth Vader - Dead.
4. Goeth - Executed for war crimes, they hanged him. Yay?
5. Seven - Closest thing to a win. What was the last thing that went through his head?
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Vincenzo Coccotti
https://youtu.be/S3yon2GyoiM
Frank Langella's Dracula (1979) was way too Rick Springfield for me.
1. & 2. The instant they are being hauled off? Maybe they feel good. I wonder how the imprisoned feel after a few years? Maybe some people that lose their freedom feel lucky, I just doubt it.
3. You die in agony realizing you have betrayed everything you held dear all your life for a lie. Feels good?
4. The instant your neck snaps in a noose. Goody?
5. A bullet enters your skull. Winning!
Remy, are you going to explain to me again how a horrible loss is really a win? I say we skip it, take it up in PM, or just leave it here. I am happy to give you the last word ITT, knowing full well that you are admitting defeat. Speak fido, please.
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