Who would be 3rd starter in playoffs? Hendricks or Lackey?

[baselman1974]

Kyle is pitching lights out right now while Lackey has experience. I don't know. Maddon has a tough decision.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

The Cubs made the playoffs?

 

[JZsportsfan]

I go Hendricks. Lackey goes Game 4, the real question comes if there is a Game 7 (assuming 1-2-3-4-1-2-3)

 

[baselman1974]

I go Hendricks. Lackey goes Game 4, the real question comes if there is a Game 7 (assuming 1-2-3-4-1-2-3)

I would go Lester right now.

 

[CSF77]

I go Hendricks. Lackey goes Game 4, the real question comes if there is a Game 7 (assuming 1-2-3-4-1-2-3)

It never goes that way. It could end up in the first 5 game going 4 games. So 2 day off then 2. That lines Jake up for game 1 in the NLCS. That would line up perfect 1-4 then 1-3. But if it goes a full 5 you have to go with Jake game 5 and lead off with Jon game 1 with Jake in game 4.

The best answer is to keep you 1-4 sharp with little drop off. Right now you could say any can just pitch lights out. And any can toss a lemon. Except Kyle. He has been steady.

But if I had to rank them:

1. Jake. He just has the ability to shut down.
2. Jon. Exp pays off here.
3. John. Again exp.
4. It is close. After Hammel dealt with his hand cramps he has been on fire again. Kyle has been the rock over the last few weeks while the struggle happened. Hard call

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

1) Hendricks
2) Lester
3) Lackey
4) Cahill
5)Arrieta


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[chibears55]

First 3 easy
Arrieta
Lester
Lackey
Hendricks imo has edge over Hammel now

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[DJMoore_is_fat]

First 3 easy
Arrieta
Lester
Lackey
Hendricks imo has edge over Hammel now

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Edge over Hammel? Hendricks is like Greg Maddux. Dude's command is ridiculous. He's literally one of the best pitchers in the NL.



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[chibears55]

Edge over Hammel? Hendricks is like Greg Maddux. Dude's command is ridiculous. He's literally one of the best pitchers in the NL.



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OK ???
And why I have him ahead of Hammel
So, what are you going on about.?

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[CSF77]

Edge over Hammel? Hendricks is like Greg Maddux. Dude's command is ridiculous. He's literally one of the best pitchers in the NL.



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Post ASG:

WHIP:
Arrieta: .90
Hammel: .94
Lackey: 1.00
Hendricks: 1.17
Lester: 1.25

ERA:
Hendricks: 1.50
Hammel: 2.00
Lester: 2.55
Arrieta: 3.15
Lackey: 3.60

So there maybe a luck issue going on here.

BAA:
Arrieta: .169 Thus why walks have killed him. Guys can't hit him still.
Lester: .190
Hammel: .197
Lackey: .208
Hendricks: .242

So Hendricks is being hit to a tune of .242 post ASG. Just the way it is. He is a contact guy more so that the other guys. But it has resulted into a 1.50 ERA. So he has major luck running right now. Just like you can say Jake has been unlucky. Lowest BAA and WHIP but is 0-1 with a 3.15 ERA 2nd half.

 

[CSF77]

All I can say is they should use Hendricks only on home games. He is unstoppable there. Lester and Lackey are vets and have been around long enough to deal with hostile away environments.

I would use all 5 buy set them up for field advantages vs a pecking order.

 

[baselman1974]

Post ASG:

WHIP:
Arrieta: .90
Hammel: .94
Lackey: 1.00
Hendricks: 1.17
Lester: 1.25

ERA:
Hendricks: 1.50
Hammel: 2.00
Lester: 2.55
Arrieta: 3.15
Lackey: 3.60

So there maybe a luck issue going on here.

BAA:
Arrieta: .169 Thus why walks have killed him. Guys can't hit him still.
Lester: .190
Hammel: .197
Lackey: .208
Hendricks: .242

So Hendricks is being hit to a tune of .242 post ASG. Just the way it is. He is a contact guy more so that the other guys. But it has resulted into a 1.50 ERA. So he has major luck running right now. Just like you can say Jake has been unlucky. Lowest BAA and WHIP but is 0-1 with a 3.15 ERA 2nd half.

If Hendricks keeps the hits to singles, he consistently gets DPs due to trusting the defense. He gave up 7 hits tonight. Couple of them were soft, but the defense behind him does the job. Plus low pitch count. When Hendricks gives up a lot of fly balls is where he gets into trouble. Jake is starting to get high pitch counts, due to his lack of pinpoint control lately.

 

[CSF77]

If Hendricks keeps the hits to singles, he consistently gets DPs due to trusting the defense. He gave up 7 hits tonight. Couple of them were soft, but the defense behind him does the job. Plus low pitch count. When Hendricks gives up a lot of fly balls is where he gets into trouble. Jake is starting to get high pitch counts, due to his lack of pinpoint control lately.

Strike outs tend to net higher pitch counts.

Jake's issue has been not attacking the strike zone and trying to paint the edges. His stuff is good enough where he can put 5 pitches over the plate at any time. That is when he is at his best. Keeping them guessing what he is throwing. Vs depending on the ump to give him the corner or not.

Basically he needs to stop fucking around and attack the zone with all of his pitches.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

OK ???
And why I have him ahead of Hammel
So, what are you going on about.?

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HE'S A RICH MAN'S CY YOUNG!


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[beckdawg]

Post ASG:

WHIP:
Arrieta: .90
Hammel: .94
Lackey: 1.00
Hendricks: 1.17
Lester: 1.25

ERA:
Hendricks: 1.50
Hammel: 2.00
Lester: 2.55
Arrieta: 3.15
Lackey: 3.60

So there maybe a luck issue going on here.

BAA:
Arrieta: .169 Thus why walks have killed him. Guys can't hit him still.
Lester: .190
Hammel: .197
Lackey: .208
Hendricks: .242

So Hendricks is being hit to a tune of .242 post ASG. Just the way it is. He is a contact guy more so that the other guys. But it has resulted into a 1.50 ERA. So he has major luck running right now. Just like you can say Jake has been unlucky. Lowest BAA and WHIP but is 0-1 with a 3.15 ERA 2nd half.

Luck really isn't the right word. Hendricks induces soft contact. He's literally the best starter in the league at it. That means that he's by very nature going to have a low BABIP against and that in turn means he's going to leave a lot of runners on base. To put Hendricks into context, Mariano Rivera's soft contact rate since 2000 was 29.2%. Hendricks is at 26.7% this year.

That most definitely is a skill. When you throw sinkers you by very nature of the pitcher are attempting to induce weak contact. The fact Hendricks can control his pitches so well usually means people weakiy hit against him.

 

[85Bears]

I'll just say that at this particular point I trust Hendricks more than any other Cubs pitcher. Maybe it's blasphemy, but right now I'd give him game 1 or game 7.

That can easily change in the next couple months, but... Never thought I'd be looking to buy a Hendricks jersey.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Post ASG:

WHIP:
Arrieta: .90
Hammel: .94
Lackey: 1.00
Hendricks: 1.17
Lester: 1.25

ERA:
Hendricks: 1.50
Hammel: 2.00
Lester: 2.55
Arrieta: 3.15
Lackey: 3.60

So there maybe a luck issue going on here.

BAA:
Arrieta: .169 Thus why walks have killed him. Guys can't hit him still.
Lester: .190
Hammel: .197
Lackey: .208
Hendricks: .242

So Hendricks is being hit to a tune of .242 post ASG. Just the way it is. He is a contact guy more so that the other guys. But it has resulted into a 1.50 ERA. So he has major luck running right now. Just like you can say Jake has been unlucky. Lowest BAA and WHIP but is 0-1 with a 3.15 ERA 2nd half.

This is a prime example of how stats can be used to manipulate any point and why fans should spend less time on the Internet and more time actually watching games.

Very few pitchers in all of baseball have better command then Kyle Hendricks. He literally utilizes every square inch of the plate. His location is incredible. Virtually nobody can get solid contact on him.

It's skill - not luck. Less time on fan graphs and more time on CSN.


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[beckdawg]

It's skill - not luck. Less time on fan graphs and more time on CSN.

Fangraphs actually loves Hendricks. Before he even debuted, there was an article about him being the type of pitcher who out performs his stuff because of his walk rate. Earlier this year they put out this piece

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-way-kyle-hendricks-is-exactly-like-clayton-kershaw/

Before last year's playoffs they put out this piece

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/optimism-for-kyle-hendricks-against-the-mets/

Frankly, more of the old school thought dislike Hendricks than the stat based people because the very argument for Hendricks' value is that he out performs his "stuff."

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I go with the hot hand of Lester or Arrieta to open a series but I might very well go with Hendricks in game 2 if he's pitching like this. His numbers at Wrigleyare incredible and you have to use that. I have not necessarily been a fan of Hendricks but you cannot argue results and this kid, while he doesn't have the kind of stuff I like, has been impressive as a pitcher and as a member of the team. If the playoffs opened tomorrow I'd go Lester, Hendricks, Arrieta, Lackey.

 

[CSF77]

Like I said I would toss the pecking order out the window. I would use all 5. But I would use them to set up Lester and Lackey on the road and Hendricks at home. Hammel and Arrieta don't matter where they pitch.