Why is Wade recruiting against Chicago so hard?

[Saluki]

I doubt its anything against chicago, Wade has just always really wanted to play with Bosh, so he'd be trying to get him regardless of which city Bosh is leaning towards. Just so happens that city might be chicago.

 

[Anytime23]

Another thing that Bosh should realize is how if the Bulls become a juggernaut that wins titles, everyone on the team becomes a rockstar...both locally and nationally. The Bulls probably have as much cache with mainstream america as the Lakers...probably more. The Miami Heat are a nice team but with the Chicago Bulls theres a certain magic in the very name with a lot of mainstream America. Everyone makes out if the Bulls become a juggernaut.

As someone whos lived both right outside Chicago and Miami, theres no argument on which has a deeper following and maybe you could contribute that to Miamis 30 year history or however short its been.

But Miami's fan base was M.I.A. before Shaq came to town. We even saw then with tons of empty seats last season w/ a superstar like Wade. No one in Florida is even from Florida. Everyone is from up north. When a Chicago team comes to town, you could think that the CHI team is playing at home. The Jordan era spread the Bulls fan base internationally. Youll probably find a couple heat fans in Cuba but thats about it.

 

[♠ B u c k e t s ♠]

It's a business and D-wade is only trying to bring butts into Mami's seats and possibly another ring. You can't blame the guy for recruiting other players in a negative way and whatnot. The mofo is seriously desperate. =/

 

[Anytime23]

Yes you can blame him because its a ***** move by a desperate man. No other free agent is making false claims.

 

[PrideisBears]

Yes you can blame him because its a ***** move by a desperate man. No other free agent is making false claims.

Exactly, you don't see anybody going out of their way to put negative influence on Chicago, you don't see other players dining with F.A's like Wade. The man is acting like a *****. If he really wants a ring that bad, leave Miami

 

[X]

I think Wade knows what he did was low, but I seriously doubt he cares. Like others have said, he's doing everything he can to improve HIS team...damn all the other teams.

It's a bold move. And if it wasn't so laughable by the Bulls-Faithful, I think Foreman would've come back with something publicly...and he still probably should've, but only the casual fan and fans of other teams would've seen the relevance in such a move.

Wade's a baller, but he needs help around him, as does every superstar. He wants Bosh, and he might get him...but he's worried about what Chicago can potentially bring to the table in '10 and beyond.

 

[Lex L.]

I think Wade knows what he did was low, but I seriously doubt he cares. Like others have said, he's doing everything he can to improve HIS team...damn all the other teams.

It's a bold move. And if it wasn't so laughable by the Bulls-Faithful, I think Foreman would've come back with something publicly...and he still probably should've, but only the casual fan and fans of other teams would've seen the relevance in such a move.

Wade's a bitch, but he needs help around him, as does every superstar. He wants Bosh, and he might get him...but he's worried about what Chicago can potentially bring to the table in '10 and beyond.

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[Anytime23]

Itll all be ok. Bron will bring the title back home to Chicago and Wade can sit there and kick himself in the butt for not joining the team he grew up cheering for.

 

[Lefty]

Another thing that Bosh should realize is how if the Bulls become a juggernaut that wins titles, everyone on the team becomes a rockstar...both locally and nationally. The Bulls probably have as much cache with mainstream america as the Lakers...probably more. The Miami Heat are a nice team but with the Chicago Bulls theres a certain magic in the very name with a lot of mainstream America. Everyone makes out if the Bulls become a juggernaut.

Uhh...ESPN, Kobe Bryant's U.S. following and pretty much all of the NBA fans in Asia would like to have a word with you.

 

[Undisputed]

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Wade plans to stay with the Heat and the Bulls are their rivals. There's no mystery to what Wade is doing.

 

[X]

Uhh...ESPN, Kobe Bryant's U.S. following and pretty much all of the NBA fans in Asia would like to have a word with you.

ESPN Follows what's hot. The Bulls haven't been the last decade or so...but landing LeBron would change every bit of that in a hot second.

Aren't all of the NBA fans in Asia still wearing Yao jerseys?

 

[FirstTimer]

ESPN Follows what's hot. The Bulls haven't been the last decade or so...but landing LeBron would change every bit of that in a hot second.
Aren't all of the NBA fans in Asia still wearing Yao jerseys?

Ok, so that doesn't mean the Bulls have pull....That means Lebron has pull. So the media would be following Lebron, not the Bulls.

 

[X]

Ok, so that doesn't mean the Bulls have pull....That means Lebron has pull. So the media would be following Lebron, not the Bulls.

Following the Bulls would be the by-product of landing LeBron. At the end of the day, it's a team sport. No one said, "Wow, The LeBrons won 66 games a couple years ago..."

It's not like the Bulls are in some shit hole city like...Cleveland. Chicago's a huge city that loves it's sports teams...remember? I'm not saying that at this moment the Bulls have as much cache as the Lakers in mainstream media, but I will tell you that I think they have the potential to leapfrog the lake show in the near future.

 

[payton 34ever]

OK, Wade has been recruiting against Chicago for a while now. First the negative comments in the media, and more recently he's been wining and dining Bosh in LA and so forth. You could even say Bosh's comments to the Miami newspaper recently sounds like something Wade would have said. So, its apparent that Wade is working hard to influence Bosh.

My question is, why? I mean, if there was really a feeling that LeBron was going to Miami, why is it even necessary to recruit against Chicago?

Understand too that Bosh, Wade, and James all have the same representation (CAA or whatever). Isnt it apparent, if not obvious, that Wade knows something about where LeBron is going and this is why he's recruiting so hard against Chicago?

Does it not seem like Bosh is caught in the middle of joining James in Chicago or Wade in Miami?[/QUOTE]

Your last line just summed it all up and answered your question. Wade knows that Chicago is the best landing spot for LeBron. Wade also knows that he desperately needs someone like Bosh to help him get through the Eastern conference. I'm sure his worst fears were realized when Hinrich was traded on draft night and he came to the realization that Chicago might not only put up a hell of a roadblock to his team with LeBron, but steal away Bosh as well, leaving Miami with more 2nd tier guys and making the Bulls heavy favorites. It's a guy beginning the 2nd half of his career realizing that his team won't have the firepower to keep up with Chicago if a LeBron/Bosh tandem goes there. Of course he'll bad mouth them.

 

[Lex L.]

Wow, I guess Lefty is too stupid to realize that I have him on ignore.

The NBA was at its peak in popularity when Jordan was with the Bulls. The Bulls got massively high Nielsen ratings and were a global brand. Sure people loved Jordan and he was the driving force but because of Jordan and those teams, the Bulls became a global brand and have traction in the mainstream. A lot of people stopped watching the NBA when Jordan retired but people are nostalgic and the Bulls still have mainstream traction as Jordans old team.

Basically it took a game 7 (one game) between the Celtics and Lakers to come close to what the Bulls-Jazz did for a series. And you know the NBA wasnt getting massive ratings because of all the Jazz fans.

Go look at the Nielsen ratings genius. The Lakers arent anywher close to sniffing what the Jordan era Bulls brought. And lets also look at the power of branding. Jordan by himself is a brand but that brand is forever linked to the Bulls. Jordan and the Bulls have been co-branding for the last 25 years, intentionally or not. And so, by default the Bulls too have become a powerful brand from that standpoint alone. And thats aside from all the winning.

 

[FirstTimer]

Following the Bulls would be the by-product of landing LeBron. At the end of the day, it's a team sport. No one said, "Wow, The LeBrons won 66 games a couple years ago..."

..............Yes people were.

And that's besides the point. You're not even really on subject anymore. The Bulls are not the international brand that the Lakers are right now. If the Bulls aren't winning no one in Asia cares about them. If the Bulls start winning with Lebron etc then the Bulls can/become an international brand once again. That means that just as with Jordan making the Bulls an internation brand Lebron would do the same thing. The "Bulls" brand by itself means literally nothing worldwide and hasn't for a decade.

It's not like the Bulls are in some shit hole city like...Cleveland.

Because Chicago isn't the hell hole Cleveland is doesn't mean sime kid in Hong Kong, etc gives two shits about the Chicago Bulls outside of the Michael Jordan jersey he may have. At that point it's even arguable whether it's the Bulls brand or the Jordan brand.

The Bulls are not a global brand and hold little to no status internationally at the current time.

Chicago's a huge city that loves it's sports teams...remember?

It also has some of the world's dumbest sports fans......

I'm not saying that at this moment the Bulls have as much cache as the Lakers in mainstream media, but I will tell you that I think they have the potential to leapfrog the lake show in the near future.

Well duh, but that has less to do with the "Bulls" themselves and more to do with them getting Lebron. For example, if the Bulls gets say Bosh and Johnson and win a title I would still put pretty heavy money on the Lakers staying a more relevant international brand, simply because of Kobe.

People are getting this all crossed up. Kids in Asia, Russia, England, etc etc were buying Bulls jerseys because of Michael Jordan. Jordan was the global brand. Just the same as with Kobe right now with the Lakers. The Lakers aren't the brand, Kobe is. He just happens to be wearing a Lakers jersey.

 

[X]

..............Yes people were.

And that's besides the point. You're not even really on subject anymore. The Bulls are not the international brand that the Lakers are right now. If the Bulls aren't winning no one in Asia cares about them. If the Bulls start winning with Lebron etc then the Bulls can/become an international brand once again. That means that just as with Jordan making the Bulls an internation brand Lebron would do the same thing. The "Bulls" brand by itself means literally nothing worldwide and hasn't for a decade.


Because Chicago isn't the hell hole Cleveland is doesn't mean sime kid in Hong Kong, etc gives two shits about the Chicago Bulls outside of the Michael Jordan jersey he may have. At that point it's even arguable whether it's the Bulls brand or the Jordan brand.

The Bulls are not a global brand and hold little to no status internationally at the current time.


It also has some of the world's dumbest sports fans......


Well duh, but that has less to do with the "Bulls" themselves and more to do with them getting Lebron. For example, if the Bulls gets say Bosh and Johnson and win a title I would still put pretty heavy money on the Lakers staying a more relevant international brand, simply because of Kobe.

People are getting this all crossed up. Kids in Asia, Russia, England, etc etc were buying Bulls jerseys because of Michael Jordan. Jordan was the global brand. Just the same as with Kobe right now with the Lakers. The Lakers aren't the brand, Kobe is. He just happens to be wearing a Lakers jersey.

I'll admit, that post was a little scattered...

Every sports team has some of the world's dumbest sports fans.

Asia doesn't follow teams. They follow players. Outside of Kobe and Pau, the majority of Asia cannot name another player on the Lake Show, and Pau is iffy.

What the hell are we arguing about?

 

[FirstTimer]

The NBA was at its peak in popularity when Jordan was with the Bulls. The Bulls got massively high Nielsen ratings and were a global brand.

Correction. The Bulls were a global brand because of Jordan. The Bulls ceased to be a global brand as soon as people in Shanghai figured out Jordan wasn't playing for the team anymore. I'm willing to bet no one in Hong Kong owned a Bulls Hersey Hawkins or Brent Barry jersey.

Sure people loved Jordan and he was the driving force but because of Jordan and those teams, the Bulls became a global brand and have traction in the mainstream.

No. Just no. Take a straw poll of NBA fans in other countries today and I promise you they could tell you more about Michael Jordan than they could about Derrick Rose, or any Bulls player from the past 10 years.

When the NBA goes abroad it pimps it's players. Not it's teams.

Basically it took a game 7 (one game) between the Celtics and Lakers to come close to what the Bulls-Jazz did for a series. And you know the NBA wasnt getting massive ratings because of all the Jazz fans.

Jordan's brand>>>>>>>Kobe's. Ok.

Go look at the Nielsen ratings genius.

Tell you what. How about you post the Nielsen ratings from Slovakia or China for each series.....

There's a reason the media talks about a post-Jordan decline, not the "post Bulls decline". At the end of the day Jordan just happened to be wearing a Bulls jersey, when it all boiled down to it, no one gave a shit about the Bulls. They only cared about Jordan.

The Lakers arent anywher close to sniffing what the Jordan era Bulls brought. And lets also look at the power of branding. Jordan by himself is a brand but that brand is forever linked to the Bulls.

LOL. No it's not. Jordan has been pimping sneakers for well over a decade since he left the Bulls. The Bulls could cease to exist tomorrow and the Jordan brand would not even take a hit. The Bulls trying to leech of the Jordan brand is not the same thing as the Bulls and the Jordan brand marketing "together".

 

[Lex L.]

The 15 year olds should stop talking about stuff they know nothing about just for the sake of arguing. They should also consider using a flowchart, since they have a problem keeping up with what is said.

 

[FirstTimer]

The 15 year olds should stop talking about stuff they know nothing about just for the sake of arguing. They should also consider using a flowchart, since they have a problem keeping up with what is said.

Does this mean you are going to quit posting?