Why?!!

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Kind of like what you did with that "Lebron can't run give and go" stuff after I posted videos showing him running that play flawlessly? Lol...just had to get that dig in...

I agree with you about Bogans, but you are way off saying he is shooting a decent percentage from 3pt.

I didn't see he couldn't...c'mon now. I just was saying that I liked that aspect of Jordan and Pippen's game going both ways. And I was saying that LeBron lacked much of the post-passing game that Pippen had.

 

[houheffna]

I didn't see he couldn't...c'mon now. I just was saying that I liked that aspect of Jordan and Pippen's game going both ways. And I was saying that LeBron lacked much of the post-passing game that Pippen had.

You said you have not seen Lebron do much "give and go", which is as basic a play as there is.

But anyway, I was getting a quick dig in...and letting you know that you are 4 dollar bill, two left shoe wrong in your assessments of Lebron's game and how he would have worked with Jordan.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You said you have not seen Lebron do much "give and go", which is as basic a play as there is.

But anyway, I was getting a quick dig in...and letting you know that you are 4 dollar bill, two left shoe wrong in your assessments of Lebron's game and how he would have worked with Jordan.

Well I didnt hear a lot of acknowledgement on your part of the things that Pippen brought to the table in style and substance that LeBron does not, but whatever. In my opinion, Pippen was a better fit for Jordan than James.

 

[pinkizdead]

First of all, I want Bogans playing less minutes and Brewer getting at least 5 more.



And lastly, Korver gives a great effort on defense but he is ineffective defending any SGs in the league basically. And most starting SFs will straight up abuse him and expose his lack of strength, speed, and leaping ability.

Rose-Bogans-Deng-Boozer-Noah vs. opposing teams' 1st units

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Rose-Korver-Deng-Boozer-Noah vs. opposing teams' 1st units

the reason i didn't respond is because your points are redundant. If you really want me to repeat myself using different words, i guess i will.

he's not shooting a 3 good percentage, i said that before.

also i pointed out that he's not shooting the open shots. he passes them up.
ronnie brewer isn't a spot up shooter. he runs around and creates havok with his cuts, so, no, i dont expect ronnie brewer to take wide open 3s.

brewer might gamble more, but he's also gotten more steals. Plus you can gamble on the perimeter when you have strong interior defense. What the hell does defensive upside mean ?

how many starting 2 guards are there in this league that shoot well? Unless i'm playing a team with a good 2 guard, i want a lot of the 2 guards in this league to take those shots. You know what a good coach does, he gets a bad player to try to beat him. If coaches want to use a lot of the mediocre 2's out there to beat our offense, then let them. plus you could always put in brewer, if we're getting killed out there. ( for what it's worth i sympathize with your position that korver is a weeker defender, but i can't remember the last time we were killed with korver on the floor at the 2 guard position.)

if you dont like korver, start playing brewer more. he's a better player on defense and offense than bogans is. It's not like bogans is shane battier, where he's a no stat all star. We're playing 4-5 out there. if we start brewer at least you have some contributions from him,even though korver would be the better fit.

 

[pinkizdead]

Damn near EVERY two in the league can beat Korver with their athleticism. 3rd guards off the bench, etc. And what is positional defense on the perimeter without athleticism? You have to be quick to get yourself into position. Korver is slow...that is a main part of the problem.

half of the league starts 2 guards that you want taking those shots. If a team tries to kill you using brandon rush etc, it get the ball out of their stars hands. i'm alright with that. I'm not saying it's ideal, but the bulls can't keep playing catch up the entire year long. The go down big in the 1st and 3rd quarters. That can't be a coincidence. I'm going to argue that it's the result of starting bogans. If you dont want to play korver more, fine, let's play cj or brewer

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

the reason i didn't respond is because your points are redundant. If you really want me to repeat myself using different words, i guess i will.

he's not shooting a 3 good percentage, i said that before.

also i pointed out that he's not shooting the open shots. he passes them up.
ronnie brewer isn't a spot up shooter. he runs around and creates havok with his cuts, so, no, i dont expect ronnie brewer to take wide open 3s.

brewer might gamble more, but he's also gotten more steals. Plus you can gamble on the perimeter when you have strong interior defense. What the hell does defensive upside mean ?

how many starting 2 guards are there in this league that shoot well? Unless i'm playing a team with a good 2 guard, i want a lot of the 2 guards in this league to take those shots. You know what a good coach does, he gets a bad player to try to beat him. If coaches want to use a lot of the mediocre 2's out there to beat our offense, then let them. plus you could always put in brewer, if we're getting killed out there. ( for what it's worth i sympathize with your position that korver is a weeker defender, but i can't remember the last time we were killed with korver on the floor at the 2 guard position.)

if you dont like korver, start playing brewer more. he's a better player on defense and offense than bogans is. It's not like bogans is shane battier, where he's a no stat all star. We're playing 4-5 out there. if we start brewer at least you have some contributions from him,even though korver would be the better fit.

25-27% is pretty mediocre but it isn't that bad. And he does take the open shots where literally no one is within 1-feet of him.

Brewer does no how to create offense for himself, and I realize that. Like I said, I would probably rather Brewer was starting than Bogans.

The Bulls don't exactly have great interior defense with Boozer and Noah in there, so Brewer gambling might tend to expose that more.

Here is an example of the upside that Bogans has over Brewer defensively: he is stronger and able to keep a guy like Kobe Bryant out of the post and establish position. I've seen games where Ronnie Brewer was draped over Bryant yet he was still getting torched because Kobe Bryant was getting to all of his sweet spots. I actually like Brewer more because of his hands and quickness, but Bogans is decent on defense... He has been missing a few assignments on rotations lately, but he is good.

As for the last portion you were saying- that is all tricky because plenty of different starting groups play different ways. All I will say is that I am fine with either Brewer or Bogans starting because both are decent defenders of the 2-guard position. Korver is a guy who is generally only used when he can go out there to defend the other team's 4th or 5th current scoring option. And that seems to happen more often when he comes off the bench. The reason the Bulls havent had that many problems with Korver on the floor, defensively, is because Thibodeau knows how to best utilize him and hide him in the defense.

But, yeah, we do pretty much both want Ronnie Brewer starting. I actually would like to see Watson take over Bogan's minutes.

 

[houheffna]

half of the league starts 2 guards that you want taking those shots. If a team tries to kill you using brandon rush etc, it get the ball out of their stars hands. i'm alright with that. I'm not saying it's ideal, but the bulls can't keep playing catch up the entire year long. The go down big in the 1st and 3rd quarters. That can't be a coincidence. I'm going to argue that it's the result of starting bogans. If you dont want to play korver more, fine, let's play cj or brewer

you can blame Bogans, and yes he is playing badly on the offensive end. But he is not the reason for their sluggish play at times. That is just not true.

I think Thibs looks at it as he is trying to help one of the teams guards better himself on the court. If Bogans could hit 35+ percent of his threes, he becomes a valuable weapon for the team. They already have 3 guys shooting 40% or higher...he is a good defender. Hopefully things will change for him.

 

[BigSoxHurt35]

Why?!! Please tell me why!!!!!! Why can I enjoy me some Bulls without BigSoxHurt bringing me down!

I don't bring you down, I tell it like it is! This team needs to stop giving teams big leads and playing like their teasing the opponent in the 1st quarter!