Will the Bears ever shift to an offensive minded team?

[Forty-six]

Obviously, defense has been the calling card of the Bears forever. The game has changed. The rules have changed. Everything in the modern NFL favors the offense. It's time for the Bears to move to an offensive mindset. Colleges are churning out boatloads of skill players ever single year at the WR, TE and RB positions. The Bears need to be a team that wins games 34 to 21 instead of trying to win 17 to 13.

1. Building the entire team around Justin Fields, his specific skill set and the QB position
2. Investing most of our draft picks and money in the offense
3. Accepting that the defense won't be dominant and instead strive for a defense that is good to very good in spots

I'm willing to give the new GM and head coach a chance although I'm not delighted that our new HC comes from the defensive side of the ball and I worry the focus of the organization moving forward will continue to be on defense. Does this organization ever join the modern NFL and go all in on offense?

 

[dasuperfan89]

No, this team is backasswards. We need to develop a QB, so instead of getting Daboll who developed Allen into a top QB, let's hire a defensive minded HC. Brilliant.

 

[dentfan]

Obviously, defense has been the calling card of the Bears forever. The game has changed. The rules have changed. Everything in the modern NFL favors the offense. It's time for the Bears to move to an offensive mindset. Colleges are churning out boatloads of skill players ever single year at the WR, TE and RB positions. The Bears need to be a team that wins games 34 to 21 instead of trying to win 17 to 13.

1. Building the entire team around Justin Fields, his specific skill set and the QB position
2. Investing most of our draft picks and money in the offense
3. Accepting that the defense won't be dominant and instead strive for a defense that is good to very good in spots

I'm willing to give the new GM and head coach a chance although I'm not delighted that our new HC comes from the defensive side of the ball and I worry the focus of the organization moving forward will continue to be on defense. Does this organization ever join the modern NFL and go all in on offense?

I think we are taking the first steps.

 

[mecha]

can we wait and see what the team is even going to look like? we still have months. I know offseason is historically fucking intolerable here but jesus christ, do something else with your life in the meantime.

 

[pseudonym]

I'm hesitantly optimistic that we are headed in the right direction. I'll have to wait and see how/what they do in the off-season with FAs, and what happens in the draft. If they address the OL/WR, I'll feel better about where we're headed.

 

[Omeletpants]

The Bears have not been an offensive minded team since 1947 when Sid Luckman was QB, so your question REALLY makes a lot of sense. Maybe you just missed the last 75 years. Makes you wonder if the typical Bear's fan just arrived from another planet

 

[TezMaKai]

The Bears have not been an offensive minded team since 1947 when Sid Luckman was QB, so your question REALLY makes a lot of sense. Maybe you just missed the last 75 years. Makes you wonder if the typical Bear's fan just arrived from another planet

You literally said you liked the Luke Getsy hire. What are you whining about?

 

[CHIBEAR]

This has been the question for the Bears as far back as most of us can remember .

How quickly we forget that basically this was promoted when Pace took over and then reiterated when we hired Nagy but our bigs moves after picking the wrong qb were what ?

using first rd pick on Roquan
trading picks for Mack
using cap space on Quinn
( all great players but weve been down that path so many times and know it simply doesn't work)

This is the the organizations m.o and it has been for decades they stick their pinky toe in the offensive pool no matter how deep while diving headfirst into defensive end .

We are at a point now where you will believe it when you see it because until then its business usual.

 

[playthrough2001]

The game has changed but teams that win the Super Bowl tend to be built from the inside out, have difference makers at QB, and really good to great defenses.

Look what Seattle did to Denver.

Tampa Bay’s defense dominated against KC.

Denver’s D smothered Cam Newton.

The Rams front was the difference in this year’s game.

How about the show New England’s D put on against the Rams?

The Bears will not win a championship by focusing on offense only. They have to build a complete team that is strong up front on both sides of the ball and develop Fields into a true difference maker. Then they will have a chance.

 

[PrimeTime]

The game has changed but teams that win the Super Bowl tend to be built from the inside out, have difference makers at QB, and really good to great defenses.

Look what Seattle did to Denver.

Tampa Bay’s defense dominated against KC.

Denver’s D smothered Cam Newton.

The Rams front was the difference in this year’s game.

How about the show New England’s put on against the Rams?

The Bears will not win a championship by focusing on offense only. They have to build a complete team that is strong up front on both sides of the ball and develop Fields into a true difference maker. Then they will have a chance.

You're cherry picking one game of the season and failing to consider what it took for these teams to even make it to the superbowl. The #1 defense in the league was the Bills and they lost in the playoffs in one of the highest scoring playoff games ever. Sometimes it takes a little luck to win a superbowl. All you can ask for as a coach or a fan is to be in contention as much as possible. Green Bay has been in contention for the last 25 years on the backs of 2 QBs.

Give me a really good oline and dline and a QB. The rest of the roster can be filled out by a GM that is good at scouting and in the draft room and a coaching staff that can teach and mold the players. This has worked for Bill and the Patriots for 20 years.

My biggest reason for optimism is because the Bears have a GM and assistant GM that played oline with a high level of nastiness. They both have a history of scouting and developing olines. From listening to them it's obvious their first order of business is rebuilding the oline.

 

[Canth]

This has been the question for the Bears as far back as most of us can remember .

How quickly we forget that basically this was promoted when Pace took over and then reiterated when we hired Nagy but our bigs moves after picking the wrong qb were what ?

using first rd pick on Roquan
trading picks for Mack
using cap space on Quinn
( all great players but weve been down that path so many times and know it simply doesn't work)

This is the the organizations m.o and it has been for decades they stick their pinky toe in the offensive pool no matter how deep while diving headfirst into defensive end .

We are at a point now where you will believe it when you see it because until then its business usual.

Pace thought he had his qb on a rookie contract and tried to build a championship defense to pair with it. That has worked in the past - Seattle for instance. Problem was, Trubisky ended up not being the guy they thought he was And then Nagy went on to prove he also was not the guy that Pace thought he was bringing in.

The other thing that was very frustrating with Pace was how many resources he spent at the TE position - both draft picks and in FA money. And for all that he spent on in, all the Bears have left is a decent TE in Kmet - but not anyone that I would consider special. They kept trying to find the next Kelce for Nagy's wannabe Reid offense and just couldn't do it.

 

[playthrough2001]

You're cherry picking one game of the season and failing to consider what it took for these teams to even make it to the superbowl. The #1 defense in the league was the Bills and they lost in the playoffs in one of the highest scoring playoff games ever. Sometimes it takes a little luck to win a superbowl. All you can ask for as a coach or a fan is to be in contention as much as possible. Green Bay has been in contention for the last 25 years on the backs of 2 QBs.

Give me a really good oline and dline and a QB. The rest of the roster can be filled out by a GM that is good at scouting and in the draft room and a coaching staff that can teach and mold the players. This has worked for Bill and the Patriots for 20 years.

My biggest reason for optimism is because the Bears have a GM and assistant GM that played oline with a high level of nastiness. They both have a history

of scouting and developing olines. From listening to them it's obvious their first order of business is rebuilding the olin.

I gave 5 recent examples of Super Bowl wins in this era of football. That’s hardly “cherry picking.” Each of those teams were consistently excellent on the defensive side of the ball in their championship seasons. It’s not like any of them all of a sudden had a positive defensive anomaly in the big game.

The Broncos beat Carolina with the ghost of Peyton Manning at QB. That team was built on a smothering defense.

The Seahawks blew out one of the most prolific offensive teams in history when they beat the Broncos. That D was the team’s identity.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

The game has changed but teams that win the Super Bowl tend to be built from the inside out, have difference makers at QB, and really good to great defenses.

Look what Seattle did to Denver.

Tampa Bay’s defense dominated against KC.

Denver’s D smothered Cam Newton.

The Rams front was the difference in this year’s game.

How about the show New England’s D put on against the Rams?

The Bears will not win a championship by focusing on offense only. They have to build a complete team that is strong up front on both sides of the ball and develop Fields into a true difference maker. Then they will have a chance.

Those defenses definitely stepped up but their offenses were also very good and had great QBs commanding them.

 

[bears51/40]

Those defenses definitely stepped up but their offenses were also very good and had great QBs commanding them.

Of course they did, but they also paired those QB's with outstanding defense. If you have both, and I hope we do in Fields and a strong D you can win a shit load of games. OL and WR in free agency, find that 3tech in the draft, and go from there.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

No, this team is backasswards. We need to develop a QB, so instead of getting Daboll who developed Allen into a top QB, let's hire a defensive minded HC. Brilliant.

Last I checked, Daboll himself has a say of where he wants to go.

Anyone with half a brain could see that he was heading to the Giants and there's no way that wasn't going to happen, especially once they hired their GM.

 

[Leomaz]

No, this team is backasswards. We need to develop a QB, so instead of getting Daboll who developed Allen into a top QB, let's hire a defensive minded HC. Brilliant.

Ummm….you can develop a quarterback without a offensive minded head coach though. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Of course they did, but they also paired those QB's with outstanding defense. If you have both, and I hope we do in Fields and a strong D you can win a shit load of games. OL and WR in free agency, find that 3tech in the draft, and go from there.

Definitely not disagreeing with your comment but I also think the Bears have had plenty of good defenses to win a super bowl. The problem has always been the offense. I do think this new regime is starting off right by creating an offense that fits Fields and the players they surround him with.

 

[playthrough2001]

Those defenses definitely stepped up but their offenses were also very good and had great QBs commanding them.

Peyton was basically done when they beat Carolina. He was resourceful but his best days had long passed him by.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

Under Trestman in 2013 the Bears had a top 5 offense but and a bottom 5 defense. They didn’t even make the playoffs. Need a complete team to beat the good teams.

 

[dbldrew]

Ummm….you can develop a quarterback without a offensive minded head coach though. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

of course you can, but if your HC is the offensive genius that designs the whole offensive scheme, that that will stay the same for your young developing QB. If your OC is the one to design it then that only stays the same if your OC doesnt get plucked for a HC job.

its also about asset retention, If you have any success you're more likely to lose a great OC then a great DC, it took 33 years before Fangio got a shot as a HC.. compared to McDaniels, failed as a HC in Denver, got offered the HC job then fucked over the Colts and still got hired again as a HC for the Raiders.. Its an offensive League and great OCs get plucked for HC jobs...