Will the Bears ever shift to an offensive minded team?

[pdxbearsfan]

You're cherry picking one game of the season and failing to consider what it took for these teams to even make it to the superbowl. The #1 defense in the league was the Bills and they lost in the playoffs in one of the highest scoring playoff games ever. Sometimes it takes a little luck to win a superbowl. All you can ask for as a coach or a fan is to be in contention as much as possible. Green Bay has been in contention for the last 25 years on the backs of 2 QBs.

Give me a really good oline and dline and a QB. The rest of the roster can be filled out by a GM that is good at scouting and in the draft room and a coaching staff that can teach and mold the players. This has worked for Bill and the Patriots for 20 years.

My biggest reason for optimism is because the Bears have a GM and assistant GM that played oline with a high level of nastiness. They both have a history of scouting and developing olines. From listening to them it's obvious their first order of business is rebuilding the oline.

I'm with you on this, agreed.

 

[Leomaz]

of course you can, but if your HC is the offensive genius that designs the whole offensive scheme, that that will stay the same for your young developing QB. If your OC is the one to design it then that only stays the same if your OC doesnt get plucked for a HC job.

its also about asset retention, If you have any success you're more likely to lose a great OC then a great DC, it took 33 years before Fangio got a shot as a HC.. compared to McDaniels, failed as a HC in Denver, got offered the HC job then fucked over the Colts and still got hired again as a HC for the Raiders.. Its an offensive League and great OCs get plucked for HC jobs...

How long has Josh McDaniels been in New England? They did just fine I believe,

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Obviously, defense has been the calling card of the Bears forever. The game has changed. The rules have changed. Everything in the modern NFL favors the offense. It's time for the Bears to move to an offensive mindset. Colleges are churning out boatloads of skill players ever single year at the WR, TE and RB positions. The Bears need to be a team that wins games 34 to 21 instead of trying to win 17 to 13.

1. Building the entire team around Justin Fields, his specific skill set and the QB position
2. Investing most of our draft picks and money in the offense
3. Accepting that the defense won't be dominant and instead strive for a defense that is good to very good in spots

I'm willing to give the new GM and head coach a chance although I'm not delighted that our new HC comes from the defensive side of the ball and I worry the focus of the organization moving forward will continue to be on defense. Does this organization ever join the modern NFL and go all in on offense?

Name the last team that was all in on offense and won the Super Bowl.

 

[Leomaz]

I guess only offensive minded head coaches lose their offensive coordinators to other teams. Thank goodness we have a defensive minded head coach.

 

[dbldrew]

How long has Josh McDaniels been in New England? They did just fine I believe,

having the GOAT as your QB can do that for a team.. but that wanst the point. It was just to show how coveted OC are.. the guy got 3 opportunities to be a HC.. with a complete failure under his belt and screwing over the Colts at the last min.. and still he gets his 3rd option.. why? Because this is an offensive league and the guy is really fucking good on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[Leomaz]

having the GOAT as your QB can do that for a team.. but that wanst the point. It was just to show how coveted OC are.. the guy got 3 opportunities to be a HC.. with a complete failure under his belt and screwing over the Colts at the last min.. and still he gets his 3rd option.. why? Because this is an offensive league and the guy is really fucking good on the offensive side of the ball.

My point still stands.

 

[dbldrew]

My point still stands.

Your point has nothing to do with what I said

 

[Visionman]

Great. Another thread to whine and complain we didn’t hire a certain coach. A guy who may not have even wanted to come here…

 

[CHIBEAR]

Pace thought he had his qb on a rookie contract and tried to build a championship defense to pair with it. That has worked in the past - Seattle for instance. Problem was, Trubisky ended up not being the guy they thought he was And then Nagy went on to prove he also was not the guy that Pace thought he was bringing in.

The problem is that we didnt have any offensive infrastructure in place for that road to be in any way practical. What offensive weapons' did we have in 2016 outside of Cohen that would lead any nfl personnel guy to say oh yeah now its time to build a defense ? If I though this was even remotely true of Pace I would say he pretty much should never be hired for another NFL job again

 

[Canth]

The problem is that we didnt have any offensive infrastructure in place for that road to be in any way practical. What offensive weapons' did we have in 2016 outside of Cohen that would lead any nfl personnel guy to say oh yeah now its time to build a defense ? If I though this was even remotely true of Pace I would say he pretty much should never be hired for another NFL job again

Well in 2018, at WR, they signed Robinson and Gabriel, and then traded up for Miller. Along with Trey Burton and Shaheen at TE, that was their plan for weapons. Not saying it was good plan, but that was the plan.

 

[jerkstore]

Honestly, I think the heritage is important. It starts with the defense.

 

[Visionman]

Well in 2018, at WR, they signed Robinson and Gabriel, and then traded up for Miller. Along with Trey Burton and Shaheen at TE, that was their plan for weapons. Not saying it was good plan, but that was the plan.

The mistake wasn’t the weapons or the QB. The mistake was the HC.

 

[jsu34]

We're only a month into the new regime.

It takes defense to win as much as it does offense.

Let's wait and see what the new coaches and front office does to get this team in position to win.

 

[Bearly]

Obviously, defense has been the calling card of the Bears forever. The game has changed. The rules have changed. Everything in the modern NFL favors the offense. It's time for the Bears to move to an offensive mindset. Colleges are churning out boatloads of skill players ever single year at the WR, TE and RB positions. The Bears need to be a team that wins games 34 to 21 instead of trying to win 17 to 13.

1. Building the entire team around Justin Fields, his specific skill set and the QB position
2. Investing most of our draft picks and money in the offense
3. Accepting that the defense won't be dominant and instead strive for a defense that is good to very good in spots

I'm willing to give the new GM and head coach a chance although I'm not delighted that our new HC comes from the defensive side of the ball and I worry the focus of the organization moving forward will continue to be on defense. Does this organization ever join the modern NFL and go all in on offense?

Bears had an Offensive minded HC for 6 of the last 9 years. How about we let the coordinators do their job? There is no mindedness. Only poor player decisions and execution. Just hope Getsy is better at it than past OC/HCs as he's been handed Carte Blanche on this O.

"You bring a play-style mentality philosophy to the table and then evaluate what the player does best. How I've been brought up in this business is you build it around the quarterback first, and then you tailor everything else to match what everybody else does well. That process is just ingrained in my soul. We're not going to just run this concept because I like it or it looks great on film. If the player can't execute that, then we're not going to have much success."

 

[Dick Jauron]

Not necessary. Just need to have the right guys at HC and GM. Time will tell if it works out. Look at Tomlin, John Harbaugh, etc. Be patient and see what happens.

 

[Forty-six]

Name the last team that was all in on offense and won the Super Bowl.

What I mean by "all in on offense" is the Bears making a committed effort to put the majority of their coaching hires, draft picks and money on the offensive side of the ball. It has been the opposite for much of the Bears history, more so in the past 5 years or so.

No team wins if only one side of the ball is the only consideration. I'm just hoping the organization will lean toward offense consistently going forward. The defense should still be valued, just not as much.

 

[CHIBEAR]

Well in 2018, at WR, they signed Robinson and Gabriel, and then traded up for Miller. Along with Trey Burton and Shaheen at TE, that was their plan for weapons. Not saying it was good plan, but that was the plan.

Again a bunch average joes but nothing that says offense was a priority for you and you have basically taken care of it enough to go all in on defense now .

LOL @ the prospect of those moves convincing anybody besides Pace that we can use the rests of our top assets the next few years on defense when the offense was leagues worst and the defense was already top 15 .

That's straight up incompetence

 

[JoJoBoxer]

What I mean by "all in on offense" is the Bears making a committed effort to put the majority of their coaching hires, draft picks and money on the offensive side of the ball. It has been the opposite for much of the Bears history, more so in the past 5 years or so.

No team wins if only one side of the ball is the only consideration. I'm just hoping the organization will lean toward offense consistently going forward. The defense should still be valued, just not as much.

So it is not a good idea to trade every defensive asset with value to try to add more offensive dart throws in the draft because chances are high that none of those dart throws is going to be any better than league average starter while both DEs are way above league average.

The Raiders and Mack were a good example. The Raiders got a ton (which the Bears will not get) of draft picks for Mack and then spent way more draft capital trying to replace him and failing.

I have no problem if the Bears are more offensive-centric going forward, but the defense needs to also be taken care of.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Bump to see what it does to the new color scheme.

Edit: So dark blue cannot be next to dark blue, but light blue can be next to light blue?

 

[pinkfloydster]

Obviously, defense has been the calling card of the Bears forever. The game has changed. The rules have changed. Everything in the modern NFL favors the offense. It's time for the Bears to move to an offensive mindset. Colleges are churning out boatloads of skill players ever single year at the WR, TE and RB positions. The Bears need to be a team that wins games 34 to 21 instead of trying to win 17 to 13.

1. Building the entire team around Justin Fields, his specific skill set and the QB position
2. Investing most of our draft picks and money in the offense
3. Accepting that the defense won't be dominant and instead strive for a defense that is good to very good in spots

I'm willing to give the new GM and head coach a chance although I'm not delighted that our new HC comes from the defensive side of the ball and I worry the focus of the organization moving forward will continue to be on defense. Does this organization ever join the modern NFL and go all in on offense?

There are so many problems Poles isn’t even at a point where he can consider team identity.

Lack of top end draft picks, oldest roster in the NFL, screwed up salary cap, and gaping holes in the roster.

What he does have is two consecutive years of solid drafting. Other than that, Poles has his work cut out for him. Just putting a team that goes 5 and 12, while cutting all the players who aren’t good, trading away good players for draft capital, and having future cap space is all he can accomplish in year one.