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Good luck selling it. Check out this website. It's an auction site. Hell, I'll donate $20 to CCS if you ship it to me.

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/la+dominique+st+emilion+grand+cru+bordeaux+france/1975

Yeah, I saw that, first google result.

I'm not sure why it's only $70-ish on that site. Last 4 I've watched on ebay(in the same pristine condition) have sold for $300-550. Must be the fact those sellers on wine-searchers aren't in ideal storage climates?
 

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Yeah, I saw that, first google result.

I'm not sure why it's only $70-ish on that site. Last 4 I've watched on ebay(in the same pristine condition) have sold for $300-550. Must be the fact those sellers on wine-searchers aren't in ideal storage climates?

Fine. $25. Final offer.
 

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Where does one sell wine? Not a firesale, but to get a fair return.

I have a bottle from 1975, Chateau La Dominique. despite the age, it's not particularly valuable. A case of six was given to us as a christening gift when I was a baby. It just happened to be a meh year for wines across the board because the same blend is quite valuable in differing years, so w/e. Supposed to be a 20 year aged wine before drinking, which was why it was a gift. They were taken care of by my parents and myself(helps that my dad's side of the family made wines and liquor for many generations), so no vinegar. But the thing is, I don't care for wine and don't really care to drink it either. I had one bottle with family and the girlfriend a few years ago, and it was actually pretty damn good. I'm just not into wine anymore. It's a bordeaux, and I've seen prices all-over the map for these and have no idea where to sell something like this.

How was it stored? If it wasn't cellered in ideal conditions then it is a crap shoot.
 

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How was it stored? If it wasn't cellered in ideal conditions then it is a crap shoot.

In ideal conditions. Like I said, my family has a long history of wine and liquor making and we tasted a bottle from the case just a few years ago and it was on point. I'm not really looking to sell anything on CCS, I was more wondering how people sell their wines. Seems like everyone over the holiday has told me ebay is the main site, so I guess I have my answer.
 

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I've pretty much not liked wine my whole life, or thought I didn't. Always been a beer, cocktail and whisky guy. Until like a month ago I had a few glasses while out to dinner, and loved it.

I've been on a big Malbec kick lately, trying a bunch of different stuff and am really enjoying it. I've had a Buenos Aires trip on my agenda for awhile now, so going down the Argentinian wine rabbit hole has been kind of fun. And it will be cool to have some familiarity when I eventually make it to the wineries in that region of the country.

But I want to broaden my horizons a bit (more Malbecs are also very welcome). I'm mostly looking in the "value" category right now. Really good wines, that come in the $20-40 range. My guess is there are quite a few bottles that fall into that category. A couple hundred bucks for a bottle would probably be wasted on me right now as I'm still trying to refine my palate and taste a bunch of stuff. I enjoy smelling it almost as much as drinking it. Same way with scotch.

I think I want to stick with reds for the time being unless someone has an "essential" white that could be a gateway into enjoying those too.

Any suggestions?
 
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I've pretty much not liked wine my whole life, or thought I didn't. Always been a beer, cocktail and whisky guy. Until like a month ago I had a few glasses while out to dinner, and loved it.

I've been on a big Malbec kick lately, trying a bunch of different stuff and am really enjoying it. I've had a Buenos Aires trip on my agenda for awhile now, so going down the Argentinian wine rabbit hole has been kind of fun. And it will be cool to have some familiarity when I eventually make it to the wineries in that region of the country.

But I want to broaden my horizons a bit (more Malbecs are also very welcome). I'm mostly looking in the "value" category right now. Really good wines, that come in the $20-40 range. My guess is there are quite a few bottles that fall into that category. A couple hundred bucks for a bottle would probably be wasted on me right now as I'm still trying to refine my palate and taste a bunch of stuff. I enjoy smelling it almost as much as drinking it. Same way with scotch.

I think I want to stick with reds for the time being unless someone has an "essential" white that could be a gateway into enjoying those too.

Any suggestions?
The way I learned wine and subsequently, the way I teach wine now is go "all-in" with a specific varietal. Drink 4-6 bottles of that varietal (malbec, merlot, syrah, etc) without drinking anything else. Get to know the basic profile of the grape without any blends. Find 100%'s.

Say you pick merlot from up and down the coast in January. Again, go for a handful to really get to it's core. Have a journal and study the reviews and profiles of the wine before and after drinking and mark down your own thoughts. "Dry, sweet, jammy, acidic (does it make your mouth water after digesting)"

Then, in February, pick a completely different varietal. Cabernet Sauvignon for example. Do the same thing, but in the middle of the 6 or so bottles, go back and drink your favorite merlot. You'll notice a vast difference. And everytime you go back to one wine for the previous month, review the notes and rewrite them.

Stack month after month and you'll gain an understanding of the historic grape properties but you'll also have a nice understanding of different regions too.

This is probably the most indulgent way of doing this, but if you really want to understand wine at the basic level, this is what I recommend. To make things more cost effective in the long run...I would HIGHLY reccomend a Coravin (Coravin Wine Preservation Systems and Accessories)

This machine is really amazing. You can drink a single bottle of wine slowly over the course of...years. Yeah, so if you enjoy wine but you're not a big drinker, you can extend the life of the bottle for a long time. Really is nice when you start spoiling yourself with something expensive. It's even better when you've got a good grasp on the wine because you will of course notice differences as it continues to age. If I was you, I'd put it on my Christmas list for next year.

Wine Bible is a good but long book. Most of all, drink it and have fun. It's better for you than Liquor or beer. It's truly Gods drink!

The quest for knowledge in the wine game is never ending. Nearly 8 years ago I asked @RacerX on some wine recommendations for long-term aging and I thought I knew better and went with a California fruit bomb. He advised me not to, but did I listen? Nope. Now it's vinegar.

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There are a handful of Chateauneuf du Pape producers in that price range (although most are $70+++). Beaujolais is a very, very, solid option. Bordeaux is pretty much a can"t miss as well.

Not a huge wine guy, but my old man is, so growing up with him I've tried quite a few and those would be my top three reds.
 

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Long time ago I heard an old French proverb that stuck with me, primarily because it mirrors my wine pref/palate: “Champagne for duchesses, Bordeaux fir gentlemen, and Burgundy for Kings.”

I used to drink a lot of wine and I collected and maintained two large cellars that I used for trading and auctions. I was buying wine futures back in the ‘90s. I only drink a couple glasses a month now ever since i discovered super premium tequila and Japanese whiskey.

Anyway, the key to wine purchase and enjoyment is to identify and narrow your preference. For example, I only drink old world style wines which are dry and earthy and less fruit forward, I can’t stand anything that’s too fruity or is jammy. Yes, I am one of those geeks that seeks terroir in his wine.

I started my kids off with old world but smooth and approachable whites, primarily Chablis which IMO is by far the greatest value wine varietal available, really quality bottles can be had for low $20s. White burgundy is my favorite of all, with red burgundy a close second pref. Problem is that burgundies are so overpriced it’s almost a nonstarter. As an alternative, try some Willamette or Walla Walla valley Pinots, which resemble the style of burgundy. Next option would be Rhone varietals from the Central coast of CA, really great wines at approachable prices.

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Ton of good advice above. Some additional thoughts… If you can find a good wine store with decent staff, that will help. They should be able to help zeroing on wines you like and also expand your horizons. Read everything you can but understand someone else’s 100 point wine may not be yours, there are very few absolutes. There are good wine message boards out there, too. Documentaries and movies about wine is a fun part of wine exploration.

At the price range you are looking at there are a ton of good wines. If you are really into Argentinean Malbec try to find a Cahors from France . It may be a blend of Malbec but will lend some insight to the old world vs new world differences. RacerX’s affinity for old world wines is very close to mine. However, everyone’s journey is different. Attend tastings sponsored by retailers or restaurants. If a restaurant has a good wine list and a real sommelier explore new wines and discuss your preferences with them. Go to wine dinners at restaurants. Ask questions.

Wine related travel can be a huge part of wine enjoyment. You get a sense of place and a geographic understanding of the region. This is particularly important in regions like Burgundy that are famous for different terroirs*. It is also a lot of fun and where there is good wine there is almost always good food!

As much as you will ever know about wine there will more to learn. I’ve been selling wine since the early 90s, have been to I don’t know how many wine dinners, seminars, classes, tastings, etc…. and sometimes I feel like I am just scratching the surface.

*Terroir - Wikipedia
 

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Ton of good advice above. Some additional thoughts… If you can find a good wine store with decent staff, that will help. They should be able to help zeroing on wines you like and also expand your horizons. Read everything you can but understand someone else’s 100 point wine may not be yours, there are very few absolutes. There are good wine message boards out there, too. Documentaries and movies about wine is a fun part of wine exploration.

At the price range you are looking at there are a ton of good wines. If you are really into Argentinean Malbec try to find a Cahors from France . It may be a blend of Malbec but will lend some insight to the old world vs new world differences. RacerX’s affinity for old world wines is very close to mine. However, everyone’s journey is different. Attend tastings sponsored by retailers or restaurants. If a restaurant has a good wine list and a real sommelier explore new wines and discuss your preferences with them. Go to wine dinners at restaurants. Ask questions.

Wine related travel can be a huge part of wine enjoyment. You get a sense of place and a geographic understanding of the region. This is particularly important in regions like Burgundy that are famous for different terroirs*. It is also a lot of fun and where there is good wine there is almost always good food!

As much as you will ever know about wine there will more to learn. I’ve been selling wine since the early 90s, have been to I don’t know how many wine dinners, seminars, classes, tastings, etc…. and sometimes I feel like I am just scratching the surface.

*Terroir - Wikipedia
Per your advice, I was Googling around for a local wine shop. Based on the reviews the place looks excellent. It's like 5-10 mins away and never knew it existed. Will be stopping by this afternoon to get a few bottles for the weekend.
 

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On the first page….Soter is a fantastic producer. Environmentally sensitive and makes great wine across the board. The K Vintner’s Milbrandt Syrah (Milbrandt makes good wine, too). Depeuble Beaujolais, Terra Nere Etna Rosso may be interesting, too. Stop by, tell them what you like and don’t like and if they are any good at all they’ll hook you up.
 

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