He was an undersized PF (he's only really about 6'7" TOPS) with terrible defense & suspect shooting when he came into the NBA. That's why he fell to the 2nd round, and oddly enough, I wanted him but the Bulls FO took Roger Mason Jr instead. Now that does not mean he was untalented, because he was and still is, but it's rare that 2nd round picks become anything remotely close to all-star caliber. He wouldn't have been a bumbling fool if he hadn't gone to Utah, in fact, he probably would've been similar if he stayed in Cleveland but some of that would be owed to playing alongside LeBron. However, if he was not in either of those situations, I don't think he'd ever have been an all-star or averaged 20+ppg.