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One of the things I rallied against in the off-season was the max contract to Boozer/Amare + max contract to Joe Johnson off-season. It completely cripple your salary for years, and you'd probably not have a shot at winning a...

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he would be a great fit with our team. but his contract is crazy.
 

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For 10-12m a year. Yes. I wanted the Bulls to sign David Lee and Joe Johnson for the offseason, but both players picked up more money than I would have given them.
 

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he's too old, on a terrible contract, and he's just not good enough to justify his deal. You can get everything that JJ has to offer with j-rich. They both are old sg's that aren't good enough to be your best player. The only difference is j rich isn't going to be paid likes he's the best player.
 

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he's too old, on a terrible contract, and he's just not good enough to justify his deal. You can get everything that JJ has to offer with j-rich. They both are old sg's that aren't good enough to be your best player. The only difference is j rich isn't going to be paid likes he's the best player.

Decent comparison. However I think Johnson gives you more on the defensive end despite not being as good an athlete and he's a better passer and ball handler as well. Johnson is the overall betetr player and I see the overall point of JJ being overpaid but he's better than JRich by a pretty decent margin.
 

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i'm not sure JJ can gaurd 2's any better than j rich can. They're both bordering on being too old to guard a faster 2 guard. JJ never really had blinding athleticism, and he's 240lbs. A 240lb 2 guard is a very rare thing. Also he's laid an egg in the playoffs 2 years in a row.

I duno, i'm not saying i love the idea, but i'm not against it. You should be able to find a good athletic defender out there. Shooters are harder to find, but you ought to be able to at least draft on. Assuming we trade brewer and korver.
 

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I like JJ if it was like a 3 year contract the guy won't last 5 years.
 

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For 10-12m a year. Yes. I wanted the Bulls to sign David Lee and Joe Johnson for the offseason, but both players picked up more money than I would have given them.

Joe Johnson would NEVER sign anywhere for 12mil a year. He is a better player than that, and so is David Lee. 15mil is more like it.
 

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he's too old, on a terrible contract, and he's just not good enough to justify his deal. You can get everything that JJ has to offer with j-rich. They both are old sg's that aren't good enough to be your best player. The only difference is j rich isn't going to be paid likes he's the best player.

You used to say "JJ is no better than Ben Gordon" now you say Richardson and JJ are the same player...you ain't watching the games son...lol

Johnson is a better player than Richardson has ever been. And he can do more to help your team. His contract makes him absolutely untouchable. However, he is a fantastic player, who would benefit greatly by deferring to better players on a team.
 

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JJ is still a very productive player now, but he isn't a 5 year guy. He lacks D but can fill it up on offense and would fit great here of course.
 

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i'm not sure JJ can gaurd 2's any better than j rich can.
JJ at least tries. This season he's been playing much better defense. JRich has never been much a of a defender and really for most of his career has been a very one dimensional scorer.

Also he's laid an egg in the playoffs 2 years in a row.
To be fair JRich has never been asked to do the things JJ has been asked to do for a team in general let alone in the playoffs.
 

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JRich is also a product of a Nash backcourt. He's going to do more things than guys like JJ, who play with a streetballer like Bibby.
 

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Joe Johnson would NEVER sign anywhere for 12mil a year. He is a better player than that, and so is David Lee. 15mil is more like it.

The better the player, the more money. Sure, but some players take a cut to win, and play in better markets. Joe Johnson gets a crazy salary, but he could have made more in Chicago at 12mil with endorsements.

I can't say the same for endorsements and Lee, but he isn't worth 15 million(or at least he hasn't proven that he is now). I would have taken him for a hair under his GS contract.
 

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The better the player, the more money. Sure, but some players take a cut to win, and play in better markets. Joe Johnson gets a crazy salary, but he could have made more in Chicago at 12mil with endorsements.

I can't say the same for endorsements and Lee, but he isn't worth 15 million(or at least he hasn't proven that he is now). I would have taken him for a hair under his GS contract.

No he wouldn't!!! JJ would not have made 120mil over the next 6 years just because he would have come to Chicago...no way. Your math is seriously flawed. If he makes 72mil in contracts, you think he makes 50mil in Madison Avenue dollars playing second string at best to Derrick Rose? That is not happening...
 

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No he wouldn't!!! JJ would not have made 120mil over the next 6 years just because he would have come to Chicago...no way. Your math is seriously flawed. If he makes 72mil in contracts, you think he makes 50mil in Madison Avenue dollars playing second string at best to Derrick Rose? That is not happening...

So if LA has a Championship team, they have Kobe, Pau, Lamar all bringing over 8m in endorsements a year, how come Eric Gordon did it when he plays for one of the worst franchises ever?

You better do your homework before you talk about my math being seriously flawed. I know business better than basketball, and if Joe Johnson's goal was to get exposure, and to get endorsements, he would have. The best thing is, he would get the Chicago rates after his retirement, because he would still play in his prime HERE. Instead, he'll get the Atlanta rate, which pays crap.

Hell, if Pete Meyers can get 6-figure work here, that should speak miles for an all-star to have motivation to play here.

flawed math :lmao:
 

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You used to say "JJ is no better than Ben Gordon" now you say Richardson and JJ are the same player...you ain't watching the games son...lol

Johnson is a better player than Richardson has ever been. And he can do more to help your team. His contract makes him absolutely untouchable. However, he is a fantastic player, who would benefit greatly by deferring to better players on a team.

i'm not gonna lie. i dont stay up at night watching suns and bobcats games. I've got to be up at 8. Most of what i know about j-rich is from highlights. You love JJ, but i would never go near his contract.

It would have been nice if we had signed another 'star' player.
 
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So if LA has a Championship team, they have Kobe, Pau, Lamar all bringing over 8m in endorsements a year, how come Eric Gordon did it when he plays for one of the worst franchises ever?

You better do your homework before you talk about my math being seriously flawed. I know business better than basketball, and if Joe Johnson's goal was to get exposure, and to get endorsements, he would have. The best thing is, he would get the Chicago rates after his retirement, because he would still play in his prime HERE. Instead, he'll get the Atlanta rate, which pays crap.

Hell, if Pete Meyers can get 6-figure work here, that should speak miles for an all-star to have motivation to play here.

flawed math :lmao:

How much money exactly did Lamar Odom make off the court? Pau made 16.5mil on his contract, how much extra did he make besides that? Kobe made 10mil in endorsements so what exactly is Eric Gordon selling? If I am wrong I stand corrected, I don't think I am...

Pete Myers??? I have a college degree in business, and if that is your advice to Joe Johnson...you would be fired, immediately. Leave 50mil on the table because you can make that up in Chicago selling shoes? If you look at the NBA's top earners in endorsement deals, all of them have spent time as top 5 players in the league at some point in their careers....

Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony

Carmelo made 6mil in endorsements last year according to Sports Illustrated, he is a superstar. Joe Johnson is nowhere near that level. You will notice that Kobe made $10mil, and you think Joe can make 8mil? Seriously? Laugh your ass off if you want, if you believe that, you are fooling yourself.

So maybe you can look at this list and tell me how the heck does Joe make 8mil in endorsements when ARod and Jeter made 14mil combined playing for one of the most valuable franchises in the world in one of the most famous cities in the world...it doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense.

2010 Fortunate 50 - SI.com
 
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i'm not gonna lie. i dont stay up at night watching suns and bobcats games. I've got to be up at 8. Most of what i know about j-rich is from highlights. You love JJ, but i would never go near his contract.

It would have been nice if we had signed another 'star' player.

Nobody would go near his contract, there is no way you can rationalize touching that. But the to marginalize his talent to some of the players you have is just inaccurate. That was my only point. If you would have gone into the off season with a mindset that JJ is no better than Richardson, you would have been wrong in your assessment. That is what I am trying to say...
 

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How much money exactly did Lamar Odom make off the court? Pau made 16.5mil on his contract, how much extra did he make besides that? Kobe made 10mil in endorsements so what exactly is Eric Gordon selling? If I am wrong I stand corrected, I don't think I am...

Pete Myers??? I have a college degree in business, and if that is your advice to Joe Johnson...you would be fired, immediately. Leave 50mil on the table because you can make that up in Chicago selling shoes? If you look at the NBA's top earners in endorsement deals, all of them have spent time as top 5 players in the league at some point in their careers....

A degree means nothing when you still don't know the real world material.

SI's fortunate is a JOKE.

Kobe for example.
SI says he's making 10m for last season through endorsements.
He's signed with Nike for 5 years, 40m. That's 8m a year for shoe deal. Plus he gets a kicker deal, bonuses for contributions, and side money from advertising campaigns.
McDonalds for 3 years, 15million. Tally that to 13 million! But how?? SI said 10? Oh right.. SI is garbage for these numbers, for very good reasoning too.
That doesn't count all of the memorabilia companies, being one of the faces of the NBA, Spalding, , 2K sports, Foot Locker, Cameo spots for TV shows/networks/commercials, appearances, itemized freebies, ect ect ect.

Unfortunately for us, this information isn't spelled out in fine detail on the internet on a one stop source. SI wont put the time and money to make their list accurate, so why would anyone really care to do the leg work? Athletes want their privacy too, unless their Greg Oden, who's willing to bare all. Seriously go back and do your homework before you throw out insults.

Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony

Carmelo made 6mil in endorsements last year according to Sports Illustrated, he is a superstar. Joe Johnson is nowhere near that level. You will notice that Kobe made $10mil, and you think Joe can make 8mil? Seriously? Laugh your ass off if you want, if you believe that, you are fooling yourself.

So maybe you can look at this list and tell me how the heck does Joe make 8mil in endorsements when ARod and Jeter made 14mil combined playing for one of the most valuable franchises in the world in one of the most famous cities in the world...it doesn't add up, it doesn't make sense.

2010 Fortunate 50 - SI.com

I can understand how you are mistaken if you're information is bunked. But come on, someone with a degree in business should know better. You would be fired if you took your metrics from "fortunate" and applied them to endorsement values.

A.) The only players with values listed, are the ones revealed by their agencies.
B.) NO Player reveals their full endorsement values.
C.) Not all players put the same level of effort in excepting and searching for side money.
D.) Wealth building values through endorsement money that is recycled into a for-profit business, is not scaled with the end-of-year release values.
E.) Non-Profit foundries benefit from endorsement deals, and also get around the end of year estimates.
F.) Signings, resale profits of memorabilia are also endorsements, not just "shoes".
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So why don't you tell me how you know for sure, that Joe Johnson would not make that money back. Feel free to explore his situation in Atlanta, past his 6 year contract.
 

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Wasnt it rumored that Johnson would have committed to the Bulls for less right when FA started? The Bulls waited and got fkd by the 3 stooges because of it. Yeah we probably still would have overpaid for Johnson but looking at our current squad, i would take him and Boozer any day. I said it months ago and i'll stick by it, with those two, i think we're the best team in the East.
 

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