Would You Trade For Stephen Curry?

[clonetrooper264]

Curry would be fantastic next to Rose. Any guy who can shoot like he does would be good. He can play the 2 just fine. Blah blah blah defense is bad blah blah blah. Boozer's a pretty bad defender, and he seems to fit in fine. Besides, once Noah's back, his defense will be covered up for the most part. On top of that, it gives a secondary ball handler in the event that Rose is double teamed (which is all the time nowadays). And his ability to play a scoring PG role would allow us to take Rose out earlier and just let Curry play the point with Brewer or Korver at SG. It gives us a shooter at pretty much every point in the game between him, Rose, and Korver. The only problem is, as others have previously stated, is that he'd be too expensive to get.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Realistically, the Bulls have zero shot at Stephen Curry. Why even waste time thinking about this?

Curry is a great player. But he just doesn't work for the Bulls. He will demand a big contract which the Bulls will not be able to pay him. When you lack size in the backcourt, it is nearly impossible to contend for an NBA championship... if Curry came here, the Bulls would only be able to use him for about 30 minutes per game (at extreme most).

And who would the Bulls be willing to give up (realistically) for Stephen Curry?

Personally, I would not give up (the duh-factor: Rose, Noah, Boozer) Deng or even Gibson in a trade, straight-up. The Bulls should think about utilizing C.J. Watson more in the way that pinkizdead has described before we go after Curry. Let Watson play off of screens on top of the key and let him defend the other team's point guard.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Curry would be fantastic next to Rose. Any guy who can shoot like he does would be good. He can play the 2 just fine. Blah blah blah defense is bad blah blah blah. Boozer's a pretty bad defender, and he seems to fit in fine. Besides, once Noah's back, his defense will be covered up for the most part. On top of that, it gives a secondary ball handler in the event that Rose is double teamed (which is all the time nowadays). And his ability to play a scoring PG role would allow us to take Rose out earlier and just let Curry play the point with Brewer or Korver at SG. It gives us a shooter at pretty much every point in the game between him, Rose, and Korver. The only problem is, as others have previously stated, is that he'd be too expensive to get.

You must be kidding me with that... wait until they play a real contender in the playoffs and say that again...

Boozer does not rotate on defense very well at all. He never takes charges or closes out completely on three-point shooters. But even he can be an effective defensive piece for the Bulls because it is almost impossible to back him down in the post. Noah has gotten bullied on defense (and even the boards) by players like Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, and especially Dwight Howard during his career. An ideal player for Noah to defend is Aldridge. He's not a 'DPOY' worthy defensive player right now.

Watson is not an ideal back-up PG but he is definitely almost as effective as Stephen Curry would be at playing the 2-guard.

And not that it's very relevant to the conversation but Korver playing the 2-guard simply does not work on offense... we have seen that earlier in the season. He NEVER drives the ball. The only time I can even remember him attempting such a thing was at the end of the Bobcats game, and that did not work out too well.

 

[WearShades]

Curry would be a nice addition since he can be both a 2 and a backup point. You could deal CJ Watson (if they'd take him back) in a Curry deal as he would be made very redundant with Curry. I don't really see how this kind of deal could happen, but the idea of adding Curry seems like it could be a positive move for the Bulls.

 

[Glide2keva]

Realistically, the Bulls have zero shot at Stephen Curry. Why even waste time thinking about this?

You could say the same thing about melo, but that doesn't stop all of these threads about him popping up everyday

 

[houheffna]

Curry will provide more offense for us, no doubt, and I'm not worried about his defense or size. I would however, be worried about his long term situation here. If he doesn't fit, we're screwed because of the players we need to give up, to get a guy like Curry. At least Mayo is such a fundamentalist player, that the risk wouldn't be too great. Not that I believe we can land either one of them through trade.

I do think we can land Afflalo, pending how Denver plans its possible rebuilding phase.It's another long shot, but he would fit into this team on day one.

And last but not least... I might have to find another gag-sig, because Bogans has put up a string of games, where he has improved a ton. He actually hit *gasp* a few contested 3 pointers, to go along with some respectable defense. ... I know, right. Not 1 decent game, but 3 in a row. At some minimum, if he can continue to mold into this scheme and make the small handful of shots that he does get, I think the Bulls can buy some time trying to land the right SG.

What are you giving up? Curry would be the best player involved in any deal. He is a better player than Taj, and is as good a player if not better already than Deng. If Monta Ellis wasn't there, Curry would be a star player. If you give up draft picks, fine. From what I hear, the class for next season sucks. I would say Curry is better than any 2 player combo in a trade...Taj and Johnson? Taj and Watson? Curry trumps that easily. I would be surprised if Curry is truly on the market though.

Curry is a better ballhandler and shooter/scorer than Mayo. However, Mayo can create for himself better than Curry. So can JR for that matter. But the Church of St. Ben of UConn people would absolutely love Curry with Rose. Brewer would be important in that situation defensively though.

 

[houheffna]

You must be kidding me with that... wait until they play a real contender in the playoffs and say that again...

Boozer does not rotate on defense very well at all. He never takes charges or closes out completely on three-point shooters. But even he can be an effective defensive piece for the Bulls because it is almost impossible to back him down in the post. Noah has gotten bullied on defense (and even the boards) by players like Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, and especially Dwight Howard during his career. An ideal player for Noah to defend is Aldridge. He's not a 'DPOY' worthy defensive player right now.

Watson is not an ideal back-up PG but he is definitely almost as effective as Stephen Curry would be at playing the 2-guard.

And not that it's very relevant to the conversation but Korver playing the 2-guard simply does not work on offense... we have seen that earlier in the season. He NEVER drives the ball. The only time I can even remember him attempting such a thing was at the end of the Bobcats game, and that did not work out too well.

Curry plays a better 2 guard than Watson does...Curry plays a better point guard than Watson does...because Curry is a much better player. Why is that even part of the conversation?

 

[houheffna]

Realistically, the Bulls have zero shot at Stephen Curry. Why even waste time thinking about this?

Curry is a great player. But he just doesn't work for the Bulls. He will demand a big contract which the Bulls will not be able to pay him. When you lack size in the backcourt, it is nearly impossible to contend for an NBA championship... if Curry came here, the Bulls would only be able to use him for about 30 minutes per game (at extreme most).

And who would the Bulls be willing to give up (realistically) for Stephen Curry?

Personally, I would not give up (the duh-factor: Rose, Noah, Boozer) Deng or even Gibson in a trade, straight-up. The Bulls should think about utilizing C.J. Watson more in the way that pinkizdead has described before we go after Curry. Let Watson play off of screens on top of the key and let him defend the other team's point guard.

You called Curry a great player and then said you wouldn't trade Taj for him....what sense does that make? You seriously overvalue Taj Gibson, as does a lot of people on here. If Taj is all you have to give up to get a player like Curry, you make that deal. And you can play Curry good minutes depending on the matchups. That is why I say Brewer is important in that equation. Curry has 2 years left if his option year is picked up. That is plenty of time to see how he fits and what he could do for the team. I don't like midget backcourts, but I do like 2 allstar caliber guards playing together.

And by the way...if Noah is as bad defensively as you make him out to be, that he can only play guys like Aldridge, than we should have traded him for Melo, no question about that. That trade should have been done preseason. Noah had a bad game against Howard...who doesn't? But he has double doubles against the Celtics and has played well against their frontcourt. You underestimate Noah's abilities and overestimate Taj.

 

[pinkizdead]

You don't know how good Curry is to say something like that...

it's sarcasm hou. c'mon. everyone knows how good curry is.

 

[pinkizdead]

Hey if we're trading our crap for curry, maybe we could get kobe on our team too. A lineup of rose-curry-kobe-boozer-noah sounds pretty damn good. If the match up sucks, we could go with rose/curry-kobe-sf-boozer-noah. it's a really versatile lineup.

 

[houheffna]

it's sarcasm hou. c'mon. everyone knows how good curry is.

I can never tell when you are serious and when you are sarcastic with this stuff. You are the only person I have a problem with concerning that.

 

[pinkizdead]

for a while curry an ellis were averaging more than 50 ppg. few backcourts have averaged 50 pts ppg. i'd take curry, but i don;t think anyone would 'gift' us curry.

 

[Glide2keva]

You called Curry a great player and then said you wouldn't trade Taj for him....what sense does that make? You seriously overvalue Taj Gibson, as does a lot of people on here. If Taj is all you have to give up to get a player like Curry, you make that deal. And you can play Curry good minutes depending on the matchups. That is why I say Brewer is important in that equation. Curry has 2 years left if his option year is picked up. That is plenty of time to see how he fits and what he could do for the team. I don't like midget backcourts, but I do like 2 allstar caliber guards playing together.

And by the way...if Noah is as bad defensively as you make him out to be, that he can only play guys like Aldridge, than we should have traded him for Melo, no question about that. That trade should have been done preseason. Noah had a bad game against Howard...who doesn't? But he has double doubles against the Celtics and has played well against their frontcourt. You underestimate Noah's abilities and overestimate Taj.

Finally, something we can agree on. A Rose Curry backcourt would be hellish on the NBA.

Granted he's not a great individual defender, but the Bulls are predicated on strong team defense. And as I said before, you can interchange them in the backcourt and not lose anything.

He's a good playmaker (this coming from all the games of his I saw at Davidson) and he can fill it up. Imagine how many assists Rose would have passing to Curry than Bogans?

 

[pinkizdead]

10-14 assists. he gets 3-5 assists from just passing to boozer. i imagine he'd get 2-3 more from passing to curry. The best part is the only guy on the bulls that you could afford to sag off on is an above 35% 3pt shooter in deng. we wouldn't have had that kind of floor spacing since the gordon salmons days. The only other guy you could afford to maybe help off would noah, and he's pretty good at making guys pay for leaving him alone.

 

[clonetrooper264]

You must be kidding me with that... wait until they play a real contender in the playoffs and say that again...

Boozer does not rotate on defense very well at all. He never takes charges or closes out completely on three-point shooters. But even he can be an effective defensive piece for the Bulls because it is almost impossible to back him down in the post. Noah has gotten bullied on defense (and even the boards) by players like Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, and especially Dwight Howard during his career. An ideal player for Noah to defend is Aldridge. He's not a 'DPOY' worthy defensive player right now.

Watson is not an ideal back-up PG but he is definitely almost as effective as Stephen Curry would be at playing the 2-guard.

And not that it's very relevant to the conversation but Korver playing the 2-guard simply does not work on offense... we have seen that earlier in the season. He NEVER drives the ball. The only time I can even remember him attempting such a thing was at the end of the Bobcats game, and that did not work out too well.

The Bulls defense as is is predicated on team defense, not individual defense. Even if everyone's as bad as you say, we're still #1 on defense. As long as Curry could buy into the system, he works. Watson is clearly not as effective as Curry at playing SG because Curry is better at everything. I do agree that Watson can play that role fine, but not as well as Curry. Basic houheffna logic here. Better players are better. xD And then on the flip side, how do other teams defend us? We'd have 3 double team worthy players in the starting lineup. You can't leave Curry open because he'll kill you from 3 (this is a fact I'm sure everyone can agree with), leaving Boozer open would be stupid, as would Rose. You could leave Deng open, but more often than not that'll hurt you. Leaving Noah open has the same problem.

But again, we're not going to get Curry anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

FWIW Korver at SG does work if you don't demand that he drives. Korver is a shooter and thus he will do what he's good at. Would it be nice if he did/could? Yes, but then he'd be worth two or three times as much as he does now.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You called Curry a great player and then said you wouldn't trade Taj for him....what sense does that make? You seriously overvalue Taj Gibson, as does a lot of people on here. If Taj is all you have to give up to get a player like Curry, you make that deal. And you can play Curry good minutes depending on the matchups. That is why I say Brewer is important in that equation. Curry has 2 years left if his option year is picked up. That is plenty of time to see how he fits and what he could do for the team. I don't like midget backcourts, but I do like 2 allstar caliber guards playing together.

And by the way...if Noah is as bad defensively as you make him out to be, that he can only play guys like Aldridge, than we should have traded him for Melo, no question about that. That trade should have been done preseason. Noah had a bad game against Howard...who doesn't? But he has double doubles against the Celtics and has played well against their frontcourt. You underestimate Noah's abilities and overestimate Taj.

I didn't say Noah was a bad defensive player. Nor did I say that "he could only" defend a guy like LaMarcus Aldridge. I said that a player like Aldridge would be ideal for Noah to defend.

And why would the Bulls trade their best front court defender (Taj Gibson) for Stephen Curry when (A) we cannot afford Curry, and (B) we already have C.J. Watson. All it would do is make the Bulls a lesser team.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You could say the same thing about melo, but that doesn't stop all of these threads about him popping up everyday

The difference is that the chances of the Bulls landing Melo were never 0%. The chances of us landing Stephen Curry are 0%.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The Bulls defense as is is predicated on team defense, not individual defense. Even if everyone's as bad as you say, we're still #1 on defense. As long as Curry could buy into the system, he works. Watson is clearly not as effective as Curry at playing SG because Curry is better at everything. I do agree that Watson can play that role fine, but not as well as Curry. Basic houheffna logic here. Better players are better. xD And then on the flip side, how do other teams defend us? We'd have 3 double team worthy players in the starting lineup. You can't leave Curry open because he'll kill you from 3 (this is a fact I'm sure everyone can agree with), leaving Boozer open would be stupid, as would Rose. You could leave Deng open, but more often than not that'll hurt you. Leaving Noah open has the same problem.

But again, we're not going to get Curry anyway, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

FWIW Korver at SG does work if you don't demand that he drives. Korver is a shooter and thus he will do what he's good at. Would it be nice if he did/could? Yes, but then he'd be worth two or three times as much as he does now.

But the problem is that we have nothing to offer GS. They don't want C.J. Watson back. Taj Gibson would not be enough (and would be foolish for CHI to give away, seeing as though he is arguably their best defender. The Bulls' defense would NOT be #1 if we had Curry instead of Taj. Besides, Boston, right now, is both a better offensive and defensive team.)

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying but it's still never going to happen.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

10-14 assists. he gets 3-5 assists from just passing to boozer. i imagine he'd get 2-3 more from passing to curry. The best part is the only guy on the bulls that you could afford to sag off on is an above 35% 3pt shooter in deng. we wouldn't have had that kind of floor spacing since the gordon salmons days. The only other guy you could afford to maybe help off would noah, and he's pretty good at making guys pay for leaving him alone.

Having Curry would not add to Rose's assists. If anything, it would cut down his turnovers and perhaps even cut into his assists. Boozer and Deng would both be getting less shots, too, as a result of this.

The Bulls' offense would definitely be better, but the rebounding and especially defense would take a huge hit. I like Ronnie Brewer next to Rose much more than Stephen Curry.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Our offense is fairly consistent right now. I don't see a glaring need for someone like Stephen Curry. He plays in a helter skelter, undisciplined Warriors' system where the pace is ridiculously fast. He's not a guy who is going to take as many high percentage shots as Ronnie Brewer. The Bulls already have a guy like him in the form of C.J. Watson. They already have a great passer/ball-handler/playmaker in the form of Rose. And they already have a sharpshooter in the form of Korver.

And Taj Gibson is a shot-blocking machine... why would the Bulls want to lose him? Besides... he will be much easier to extend than Stephen Curry.