Would You Trade Quintana?

[The Hawk]

After watching his performance against arguably the best pitcher in all of baseball in the last five plus years, I'd say that he is untouchable. Losing that game yesterday was a CRIME. Can no one in this bull-pen throw something other than in the middle of the fucking plate? They bring in a lefty bozo who walks a guy on five pitches, yank him for another guy whose best pitch is a splitter which is a wonderful pitch but not when you leave it up in t
he zone like that "PUTZ" does. There, it is a BP fastball which luckily for him were hit right to the outfielders on a line.

I absolutely HATE our bull-pen. They have been in many many one run games that were lost because we have nobody who can throw strikes and make batters hit their pitch and not sit back and wait for a cookie. This is all on the front office. They failed to put together a decent pitching staff. Period. I know this was supposed to be a re-building year but they should have no excuses for putting that assortment of failed starters and relievers on the field. These guys either do not have the experience to do the job or the stuff to get major league hitters out. They MIGHT have two guys on their present roster that may be pretty decent but come-on. What in the holy hell were they thinking? Like I said, I absolutely HATE our bull-pen and I don't even want to talk about those two right handed "starters"!

Going back to what happened yesterday. These kind of losses could very much cause trouble on a team. They had a chance to take on and beat the best pitcher in the AL and had the damn game in hand and they BLEW IT. It isn't Ventura's fault although I do question some of his "moves" but he is playing what they have given him and what they have given him sucks. Sign those pitchers that you drafted and bring them up quickly and gain experience. And re-hab Jones as a starter.

 

[The Hawk]

dunn i think comes back for cheaper. the franchise loves him in the clubhouse with the young guys. plus he is a left handed stick. he wont get what he got years ago so it would be worth it.

pitching is key. lets assume that rodon signs and is good. we have 1 ace, a solid number 2 in Q, and maybe rodon is a top guy as well. Id want a right handed number 2. a guy who is durable and a guy that is a sinkerballer.


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I want Dunn GONE. I am sick of looking at him wave at pitches. An occasional home-run every 20-30 at bats or son isn't enough. He's an old scratched record stuck at the same place. Get whatever you can for him and move on. They have a kid in the minors who can rip the ball. Put him in the order for cripes sake. Trade Beckham also and bring up Johnson. They need some new blood. Oh, BTW shit-can Belisario, please!

 

[The Hawk]

Pitching is, for once, the one thing we have no depth at. Or at least, depth that is really any good.

You don't trade away Quintana. Unless, maybe, if Rodon signs and is dominant, in that case you flip Quintana for a righty of equal value.

He's not untouchable for sure. However, he and Sale together are two of the best tandems in all of baseball. What I am thinking about is flipping Danks to the pen next year as either a closer or a set-up guy.

 

[The Hawk]

As with any trade, it depends on the return, but I was disappointed to hear the Sox consider him untouchable. It seems like he's too quick to show up his teammates when things aren't going his way, and I just get the feeling that he's not the mentally toughest guy or well liked in the clubhouse. I hope my impression is wrong, because if Rodon signs and can be the pitcher everyone thinks he'll be, Quintana would be a beast as the number 4 starter (he's a solid 2 and a very good 3, but I can't imagine the Sox wanting to stack 3 lefties in a row in the rotation).

I give a crap if he gets pissed if things don't go his way. The guy on the mound is Buerhle like but with better stuff. Mentally tough? What brings you to that cconclusion? I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but on what do you base that and his unlikeability in the clubhouse?

 

[brett05]

He's not untouchable for sure. However, he and Sale together are two of the best tandems in all of baseball. What I am thinking about is flipping Danks to the pen next year as either a closer or a set-up guy.

Not a chance

 

[The Hawk]

Not a chance

Why? I know it would be more money invested to a reliever but with his contract he isn't really able to be traded. He has good control and would probably pick up a little velocity as a relief pitcher. Right now, of course not. But next year, maybe? They won't do it but that is a different question but I'd rather see him in the pen and have Jones given a chance to start as a right hander.

 

[brett05]

Why? I know it would be more money invested to a reliever but with his contract he isn't really able to be traded. He has good control and would probably pick up a little velocity as a relief pitcher. Right now, of course not. But next year, maybe? They won't do it but that is a different question but I'd rather see him in the pen and have Jones given a chance to start as a right hander.

He's a sp and at worst a five and high of a three. And a much better sp candidate than Jones.

If anything Danks gets traded

 

[The Hawk]

He's a sp and at worst a five and high of a three. And a much better sp candidate than Jones.

If anything Danks gets traded

I doubt that he gets traded because of his contract. On a good pitching staff he is a number five guy in my estimation. If they can trade him more the better. Let me tell you why I think they should make Jones a starter.

usually, good relief pitchers with Jones velocity have at most two pitches that they can throw for strikes on any count and make the batter miss or hit it into the ground. Jones is not that kind of pitcher while Reed was for example. Reed didn't have Jones stuff but had better control of two pitches. Now then, Jones has four very good pitches and when he can use all four of them or three of them when one is not working, I think his stuff is electric with a lot of movement on them. This is lost when he relieves. As a starter he can afford to use all of his stuff because if he walks someone it isn't a big deal like it is when the game is on the line and he has to get one or two guys out late in the game.

This is why I think that if they continue to expect him to close that they and he are fucked. IF they continue this path, he'd be better off if they traded him while he is still young to be developed as a starter with a team that understands his talent and potential. I do not know why they cannot see that he could be made into a starter just like Sale was. His fast ball is a legit 96-98. His change-up is 88-89. His slider is 91-92. His devastating curve ball is 82-84. You just do not see raw talent like this guy.

I remember when they got Matt Thornton from the M's. He had pretty much the same kind of stuff. He wanted to be a starter but they pigeon holed him as a left handed reliever. He was certainly a successful reliever but his talent was pretty well wasted because he lost his curve ball and change-up and became mostly a one pitch pitcher. When you have great talent like those two guys have/had, you need to get the most out of it, I believe. And good starting pitchers are worth a ton more on a pitching staff than a late inning reliever. You can teach any guy with a great arm to be a good reliever if he has a brain in his head. A good starter? Much harder.

 

[brett05]

I just looked over Nate's minor league numbers. He has major control issues. I hope he does great for us when he gets healthy but honestly now I think the only question Nate answers for the team is "name a pitcher whose initials are N.J. on the White Sox" That makes me sad.

 

[DewsSox79]

nate jones always pissed me off when he came in.


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[Capt. Serious]

Speaking of Quintana, think the Yanks could use him now?

What a gem for us.

 

[hyatt151]

He's not untouchable for sure. However, he and Sale together are two of the best tandems in all of baseball. What I am thinking about is flipping Danks to the pen next year as either a closer or a set-up guy.

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