Yes or No

[Basghetti80]

Draft Day Trade:

Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James, #15 and #26 for Amare Stoudemire



This is the most realistic trade proposal that may be at our disposal. Phoenix is not in the playoffs, they financially are a mess and while Bosh might be the number one target I also think it is less likely we have the pieces to acquire him. They would love Deng if he was healthy and playing well but going into the offseason their will be uncertainties about his health and whether he comes back to his pre injury playing ability and then when you figure in that long term contract I just am not sold they actually would sign off on that even if we take Kapano back in a deal. I just think this deal for Amare is the most reasonable deal we can make. It leaves you with Salmons and Deng still on the perimeter and still with Kirk as your third guard and means you can let Gordon walk and still have sufficient depth on the perimeter. Noah is the perfect bigman to put with Amare and Miller gives us a nice 3rd big to go with them. So do you make the deal on draft day..


Yes or No?

 

[chi_hawks_23]

YES. You do this trade without any hesitation. In fact, if this went down, you might have a riot on your hands in Phoenix.

EDIT : This would basically be Thabo,Tyrus, mid first rounder and filler for Amare. You do that in a heartbeat.

 

[HeavyC]

Basghetti80 wrote:

Draft Day Trade:

Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James, #15 and #26 for Amare Stoudemire



This is the most realistic trade proposal that may be at our disposal. Phoenix is not in the playoffs, they financially are a mess and while Bosh might be the number one target I also think it is less likely we have the pieces to acquire him. They would love Deng if he was healthy and playing well but going into the offseason their will be uncertainties about his health and whether he comes back to his pre injury playing ability and then when you figure in that long term contract I just am not sold they actually would sign off on that even if we take Kapano back in a deal. I just think this deal for Amare is the most reasonable deal we can make. It leaves you with Salmons and Deng still on the perimeter and still with Kirk as your third guard and means you can let Gordon walk and still have sufficient depth on the perimeter. Noah is the perfect bigman to put with Amare and Miller gives us a nice 3rd big to go with them. So do you make the deal on draft day..


Yes or No?

Yes, I'd make that trade if it's the only one available. I'd personally rather try and get Bosh. Beyond that, I'd really, really love to move Deng in a trade for either one (but that's got like a 1.7% chance of happening).

 

[TheStig]

I'd definitely go for it but I would try for bosh first. He is younger and the better fit. But in terms of value and assets, I would have no problem giving up both picks, TT and an expiring. Just a heads up, that deal doesn't work financially, we would have to throw in TT too. I really don't think Amare's eye injury is anything to worry about.

 

[cool007]

That will NOT be upto us man. If it was upto us, we would do that in a heartbeat and not think twice - it's a NO BRAINER.

Like someone else said, I would try and trade for Bosh first coz we can offer them Deng and Tyrus as well as both picks and whatever the hell they want (not named Rose and possibly Noah/Salmons).

If they want Hinrich, we should not think twice to include him as well.

I would love this lineup next year:

Rose
Gordon (if we traded Deng, we better resign Gordon even if we had to pay tax)
Salmons
Bosh
Noah

We should be on par with Orlando and might even be better.

 

[??? ??????]

Obviously I would do that. I would go as far as to include Joakim Noah and John Salmons or Luol Deng in order to get Bosh or Stoudemire.

I think once you get a really good core in place Rose/Gordon/Stoudemire/Deng or Salmons, then you can begin filling in the other spots with guys on the MLE, LLE, Vets minimum and be a good team. And we'd already have guys like Kirk Hinrich, Tim Thomas, and Brad Miller left who could be good role players.

 

[dougthonus]

I don't think that Phoenix wants any of those other guys included except perhaps Noah, but I don't think we give them Noah and Tyrus.

This is a good offer from Phoenix's perspective. It doesn't much long term salary, the two draft picks will make only a shade over the veteran minimum anyway, and Tyrus's one year ~ 5 million dollar trial + 1.6 million they owe James that won't be picked up by insurance is pretty small relative to the money they would have paid Amare.

On top of that, the trade gives them pieces they can use to help trying to build up talent and assets they can swing in other deals. Phoenix's run is over, and this trade would definitely be good for them.

As for us, I don't see how we could pass on it either. I'll be scared to death of having Amare on a max deal for 6 more seasons and I have real doubts about his health, but you simply have to take a chance on a guy who's that good, warts and all.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

wow that's a lot considering Amare has had his injury issues. I want Amare over Bosh but Phx needs to add another piece to make me want to do it.

 

[dougthonus]

I don't know, you're already getting Amare for Tyrus, a guy who doesn't play, and 2 draft picks that don't project to be NBA starters.

That seems like a pretty sweet deal talentwise. The only problem is whether Amare can hold up or not and whether he gets along with the team.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

2 draft picks can get the Suns a higher pick in the draft. Maybe the Suns could add a 2nd round pick so we can get a Euro and stash him overseas.

 

[Basghetti80]

Doug I agree the thought of 6 years at Max money for Amare is a little scary but what i like is with contracts that come off in Miller, Tim Thomas we have some flexibility. Asik will come over to be the third big once Miller walks. If Salmons opts in as you mentioned in another thread you are looking at in 2010-11

Rose,Hinrich
Salmons
Deng
Amare
Noah,Asik
That 7 plus the 2010 draft pick and you still are under luxury tax and have room to add someone with the MLE if you want in FA in 2010 to fill in roster some. With the continued growth of Rose and Noah to go with Amare, Deng, Salmons and Kirk that is a very good basketball team.

 

[bullsfan52]

I'm going to say no. I would love to add Amare, don't get me wrong. But I am too scared to give him a max contract for six years. I would rather try this package or add Deng in some sort in attempt to get Bosh. Granted, both have had their injuries, but regarding a past article that was on the RealGM homepage, Bulls prefer Bosh because of his personality. I couldn't agree more.

If I am paying someone max money, I want him to not be a concern in the locker room. I have not once ever heard a negative article about Bosh's character. Paxson has built the Bulls on good character guys and I think he will continue to do so.

Amare is a hell of a player and would bring a lot of excitement to Chicago. However, I would rather offer this or a similar package for Bosh, if possible.

 

[chi_hawks_23]

bullsfan52 wrote:

Paxson has built the Bulls on good character guys and I think he will continue to do so.

I think at somepoint Pax has to take a chance on a player that can get us to the next level. We have had the typical "hard worker", "good character" type of player for years now. Adding a cancer like Rasheed Wallace is one thing, but adding a 25 year old stud like Amare is another.

I agree with most, if we can get Bosh, then we should do it. However, he would need to demand out of Toronto, or at least scare them into thinking he won't resign. Then we would need to put forth the best offer and/or hope he preferred to be in Chicago. If all of that can happen, and we can get Bosh w/o giving up rose, then hell yes do it.

However, Amare is one heck of a 2nd place prize if Bosh can't be had.

 

[Bullsman24]

see a problem is that the suns hate first round picks, they've sold away almost all of theirs.

 

[dunkside.com]

chi_hawks_23 wrote:

YES. You do this trade without any hesitation. In fact, if this went down, you might have a riot on your hands in Phoenix.

EDIT : This would basically be Thabo,Tyrus, mid first rounder and filler for Amare. You do that in a heartbeat.

then you spend the next 4 years at least complaining about how amare is not interested in playing D, how he misses defensive assignments and rotations, how he's too selfish, has a me-first attitude and how he's paid over 20 mil per season yet he can't lead the team to a title.

 

[JimmyBulls]

The Bulls make the deal, and the Suns laughs then hang up the phone.

 

[Basghetti80]

Here is a different spin on the Bosh/Amare talks.

If you could get either Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, James, #15 AND NOAH would you do it? You could get a veteran bigman in FA like Mikki Moore to pair with Miller and then have Bosh or Amare at PF with Rose, Kirk, Salmons and Deng on the perimeter. Would it be worth especially in the case of Bosh? With the #26 pick you could pick up a young defensive minded bigman to groom with Bosh. Someone like Jerome Jordan.

Rose,Hinrich
Salmons
Deng
Bosh or Amare,Tim Thomas
Miller,Moore,Jordan

Putting Noah and Tyrus along with a mid first rounder and capspace gives us more ammo to get one of these guys. We will be in competition with other teams for these guys.

 

[TheStig]

Basghetti80 wrote:

Here is a different spin on the Bosh/Amare talks.

If you could get either Bosh or Amare for Tyrus, James, #15 AND NOAH would you do it? You could get a veteran bigman in FA like Mikki Moore to pair with Miller and then have Bosh or Amare at PF with Rose, Kirk, Salmons and Deng on the perimeter. Would it be worth especially in the case of Bosh? With the #26 pick you could pick up a young defensive minded bigman to groom with Bosh. Someone like Jerome Jordan.

Rose,Hinrich
Salmons
Deng
Bosh or Amare,Tim Thomas
Miller,Moore,Jordan

Putting Noah and Tyrus along with a mid first rounder and capspace gives us more ammo to get one of these guys. We will be in competition with other teams for these guys.

Its hard to give up so much potential in the front court but I would do it for Bosh and think about Amare. Its just not often that young all star bigs become available and I think a Rose and Bosh/Amare pick and roll will be unstopable for years. I just don't think we can pass up an all star big. I would give up anyone other than Rose. We can always acquire a decent propect in fa and we still have Omer in the pipeline. Miller can easily hold down the fort for a couple of years more.

 

[Basghetti80]

In the end my original proposal of Tyrus, James, #15 and #26 in 09 draft for Amare is the deal I would offer and I really don't see why the Suns would not do it. I mean I tthink this is the absolute best offer they are going to get and for a team in their financial position plus the lack of young talent on that roster and this is a no brainer for them as well. The Amare situation to me right now looks like our best shot for a star to put with Rose for next season. Rose,Salmons,Hinrich,Deng,Amare,Noah and Miller as our top 7 for next year is a top 4 team in the East. Picking up cheap vets in 09 will be key to support that top 7. Steve Novak, Stephen Graham, Dahntay Jones type players will be important to try to add. The key moving forward will be whether Deng can stay healthy and play at a high level and whether Salmons can continue to play at his high level. Asik comes in for Miller in 2010 and the expiring deals of Miller and Tim Thomas help this team have the flexibility to add MLE level talent in 2010 to give the team the added depth it will need to become a contender in 2-3 years for a ring. I really believe Rose and Amare will be a dynamite 1-2 punch. Hopefully Salmons and Deng can give us the supporting scoring and defense on the perimeter we need.

 

[Gene]

I'd say yes. I'm a big fan of Tyrus, but Amare is an instant upgrade. I would however rather see us deal Noah or Deng before we deal Tyrus, but if he is the asking price, you gotta do it.