Yoenis Cespedes

[cbfan]

The only thing that scares me off about Cespedes is his attitude. I hear he has an absolute dogshit attitude in Boston, and wasn't the greatest in Oakland either.

He's an all star, he's a darn good fielder, he's got a cannon, and he's not a bum at the plate, unlike many cubs these past three year.

What's the price tag to get him, and what's the price to extend him? Boston will want pitching, cubs have been busy ignoring top shelf talent pitching over the past 3 years and still the most promising guy in the farm system has major durability issues. Reclamation projects flipped and dumpster diving to find another team's trash. So far its worked in their favor for Arrieta. Not Travis Wood, not Jacob Turner.

Which is why I'm all about getting Lester, damn the costs as opposed to people who don't want to overspend; yet want one of the best free agents on the market.

I heard the players were upset he was traded. In Oakland. He was only traded because the a's were hurting for pitching. And Bean finally took a chance for a run. If he was such a problem in Boston, don't ya think he would come cheap?

 

[SilenceS]

The only thing that scares me off about Cespedes is his attitude. I hear he has an absolute dogshit attitude in Boston, and wasn't the greatest in Oakland either.

He's an all star, he's a darn good fielder, he's got a cannon, and he's not a bum at the plate, unlike many cubs these past three year.

What's the price tag to get him, and what's the price to extend him? Boston will want pitching, cubs have been busy ignoring top shelf talent pitching over the past 3 years and still the most promising guy in the farm system has major durability issues. Reclamation projects flipped and dumpster diving to find another team's trash. So far its worked in their favor for Arrieta. Not Travis Wood, not Jacob Turner.

Which is why I'm all about getting Lester, damn the costs as opposed to people who don't want to overspend; yet want one of the best free agents on the market.

Where are people getting that he is a damn good fielder? He is not. He has a really strong arm. Thats about it. He isnt a bum out there, but he isnt a top defender in left. He is an average player with a name.

Travis Wood isnt as bad as last year and isnt as good as the year before. He is a 4 or 5 type pitcher that should have a rubber arm for the rest of his career. I think Wood could be a poor man Ted Lilly which will play in todays game. Jacob Turner you can not declare anything. Bosio is getting to work with him this off season will tell a lot. He is former top prospect that is still like 23 or 24. He only cost a million dollars. Well worth the gamble. It was just 2 or 3 years ago the Cubs were trying to trade for him. Detroit wouldnt move him.

 

[DewsSox79]

This makes no sense. You want more dumpster players? This is why Cub fans are horrible to even talk baseball with. The Special person attitude that every prospect will be superstar and good quality players are a waste of time. Especially good defensive players. Damn Cardinals, huh?

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[CSF77]

I would be down with signing for Cabrara. He fits the profile.

I would rather them kill 2 birds by trading for Cole Hamels and Dominic Brown.

My opinion is Wood=Brown in value.
Hamels would cost Baez to start.

Phil is looking to add pitching so getting Cliff Lee's hunting partner over there with Baez and 2 arms makes sense for them. Sure they would ask for Hendricks also but I believe they would take other options. Still if they did trade Baez, Wood and Hendricks for Hamels and Brown (yes they would have to add another live arm in the farm) they could then ink Jason Hammel to a 3 year deal back filling what Hendricks was giving.

I'm on the boat that Hendricks is not what he showed and the league will adapt to him. He is a sinker ball pitcher so he should go deep into games and keep the ball in the park more so he holds value.

 

[Rocky Marciano]

There is a good core of young talent here, why risk fucking up their heads with a player that has to have some kind of attitude issues based on how fluid his situation becomes wherever he is.

PASS

 

[DewsSox79]

This is my thing with Cabrera. He is going to get to much money and he cost a compensation pick. I would rather role with Coughlan right now with a righty backup to start against tough lefties. Cabrera bat is basically Castro's bat. He doesnt walk much. He doesnt have much power. He doesnt steal bases. He does put the ball in play a lot. I wouldnt be against him being signed, but he is going to go for his big pay day. I just dont see the need for him.

yeah you are right. the cubs dont need him. They have plenty of talent already.


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[SilenceS]

yeah you are right. the cubs dont need him. They have plenty of talent already.


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In the grand scheme of things, probably not. You didnt make any point. :smoke:

 

[cbfan]

Great talk. I know I said I dont want any player and just want a prospect there. I know a guy with an OPS+ of 103 and 110 the past two screams really good player. I know the Cubs are surely going to need his .294 and .301 OBP the past two seasons when that is the teams biggest weakness. I also know the Cubs would miss his below league average range factor and overall not great defense. But, hey, he has an arm. That makes up for everything. I thank you for enlightening me. You are a top notch poster full of facts and knowledge.

So, you think any OFer on the Cubs roster right now is better than Cepedes? That's my point. You are now enlightened.

 

[SilenceS]

So, you think any OFer on the Cubs roster right now is better than Cepedes? That's my point. You are now enlightened.

Enlightened that he is nothing we need. Soler is playing right. Alcantara CF and they have about 3 almost ready prospects that could wind up in left. Whether people like it or not they are going to let these kids succeed or fail at the major league level. I would sign an OF that fits our needs and Cespedes is the opposite of what we need. We have power and low OBP guys. We need high OBP guys and a I rather not spend a shit ton of money on an Average OF.

Do you know Chris Coughlan had a better AVG., OBP. SLG., OPS., and OPS+ then Cespedes last year? I am fully ok letting him play another year in left for the Cubs while they figure things out.

 

[cbfan]

Enlightened that he is nothing we need. Soler is playing right. Alcantara CF and they have about 3 almost ready prospects that could wind up in left. Whether people like it or not they are going to let these kids succeed or fail at the major league level. I would sign an OF that fits our needs and Cespedes is the opposite of what we need. We have power and low OBP guys. We need high OBP guys and a I rather not spend a shit ton of money on an Average OF.

Do you know Chris Coughlan had a better AVG., OBP. SLG., OPS., and OPS+ then Cespedes last year? I am fully ok letting him play another year in left for the Cubs figure things out.

A lot of players look better when they don't play a full season or get the same amount of ABs. Coughlan is a reserve player. We can disagree. That is fine.