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If Nolen can come close to 30 reps with 27+ with a 40 time in the 4.9s, with good splits then I'm good and think he'll be fine.

If he cranks out 29-30+ reps with a a 40 in the 4.8s or lower, and good splits then I'm all in.

I've never been he'll bent on any combine drill as an indicator of a players talent whether it's a 40, split, cone drills or the bench press.

Yet the Bench Press is a usually a solid indicator of physical strength and overall work ethic. I'm usually fine is a player can fall within a status quo based on their position. Imo any ineman be it offensive linemen or interior defensive linemen should be able to put up at least 25 reps.

I start raising eyebrows at these drills when a player exceeds or falls below the norms. When any DT at 285 pounds or heavier runs a low 4.8 forty or then I'm definitely taking a closer look at that player. If that DT runs a sub 4.8 you'd be nuts not to be intrigued. For the most part though, any 1 GAP DT that runs a 40 that's in the 4.9s with good spits should be fine.

When a DT puts up 30 reps or more I definitely believe that should be taken serious. However if a DT puts up anywhere between 25-30 reps with excellent lower body strength then they should be fine. At the same time when a 300 pound NFL lineman has the upper body strength of a JV football player(Dexter/Pickens/Amegadjie) to me that's concerning.

I know there are plenty of acceptions to any norms or train of thought in a league with just under 1,700 players, yet people who claim the BP means nothing for certain positions are kidding themselves if they fail to grasp how any linemen with excellent upper body strength to work off from excellent lower body strength/anchor andna naturally low pad level has a significant one up on an opponent who is either or.

Seems like alot of Poles linemen either have the a$$ of a tank and the upper body punch of a rubber chicken or they can bench press a Cadillac and forgot there's a thing called squat day.
I agree completely that a DT should be able to put up around 25 reps but I can be somewhat flexible for guys with long arms. They need that kind of strength to face up against guards and double teams regularly, especially if he plans on being decent against the run. If Nolen's numbers match up with what you have listed, I will be on board if that's the direction the team goes. I will just consider it a sign that they want to move on from Dexter, who does have great lower body strength but his upper body strength was subpar his first couple of years.
 

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Better than using the #10 pick on a 3rd WR.
I thought you were done with your lazy takes. I'd take a Top 10 versatile slot receiver over Ashton Jeanty or any pure guard or center in this draft.
 

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That's because Walter Nolen was asked to move all over the defensive line for two different programs. He played every position on that Ole Miss defensive line and with the Aggies where Newton was able to play the 3 TECH position his entire collegiate career.

This draft class isn't as good as last years as a whole. It's not even close and it's not just the QBs, yet you still have to take what's there.

Let Nolen pin his ears back at the 3TECH position instead of moving him all over the line and his numbers will compare with anyone.
Newton didn't play 3T his whole career. Illinois played a 3-3-5 for a bunch of that time and completely misused him. They had him 2 gapping half the time, playing a weird contain style rush from a 5T position. I watched pretty much all their games.

That said, he's not as good as Nolen as a prospect. Newton isn't a guy that can blow up the B gap or win right off the snap like Nolen. He's more a guy who wins with body position. He's slippery, but it takes him a little while to win. Nolen is also stronger and better against the run and double teams.
 

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The Bears had plenty of weapons last year. They could not run the football or throw it well because the OL was putrid at best. BJ knows the importance of a good OL. Unfortunately, Poles does not.
Who are these plenty of weapons you are referring to and how do they compare to the rest of the NFL's talented offenses? Are you able to give me a breakdown of who the elite offensive weapons are that the Bears have on the team?
 

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I thought you were done with your lazy takes. I'd take a Top 10 versatile slot receiver over Ashton Jeanty or any pure guard or center in this draft.
And you'd take a 3rd WR over a IDL.
 

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And you'd take a 3rd WR over a IDL.
I consider a 3rd WR more valuable than a 3rd DT for this team, especially with a premium pick. I also think they can find another DT easier and cheaper in free agency than they will find a high level slot WR.
 

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One of my DT Combine Crushes would be Tyliek Williams.

Someone convince why Nolen is a better option in the first round @ 10 than Tyliek Williams in the second round @ 39??


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Oh and how about another DT Combine Crush... how about at pick #72???


Jordan Phillips out of Maryland...

What about another great DT Alfred Collins?




This draft is loaded with DT's.. Zero reason that they have to take Nolen @ 10
 

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Compares himself to Micah... speaking my language. I think him or Pearce has that kind of potential to be impactful getting after the QB.
 

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Compares himself to Micah... speaking my language. I think him or Pearce has that kind of potential to be impactful getting after the QB.
Impressive young player, if I were Jerry Jones I might consider him at 12 and play him on the opposite side of Micah 🔥
 

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I consider a 3rd WR more valuable than a 3rd DT for this team, especially with a premium pick. I also think they can find another DT easier and cheaper in free agency than they will find a high level slot WR.
Do you have any names in mind for these cheaper DT's in free agency?
 

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Who are these plenty of weapons you are referring to and how do they compare to the rest of the NFL's talented offenses? Are you able to give me a breakdown of who the elite offensive weapons are that the Bears have on the team?

DJ (WR1)
Allen (WR2)
Odunze (WR3)
Kmet
Swift

That is more talent on O that the Bears have had in a long time. I guess one could theoretically add QB1 to that since he was taken with the 1st pick in the draft. The issue was not those players save for some CW who showed lots of growing pains. The issue was the putrid OL which really impacted QB1 as well. I personally did not want WR3 last year but I understood the pick. I sure don't want WR3 again this year in Matt Millen like fashion.

The team desperately needs 3-4 new OL starters and depth and guys on rookie contracts so that line can build chemistry over time.

The team has the worst OL in the league and until that is resolved, building from the outside in will continue to fail like Poles has failed to date. The DL needs a lot of work too. Great players at those positions on the OL and DL are harder to find than quality RBs and slot WRs.
 

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DJ (WR1)
Allen (WR2)
Odunze (WR3)
Kmet
Swift

That is more talent on O that the Bears have had in a long time. I guess one could theoretically add QB1 to that since he was taken with the 1st pick in the draft. The issue was not those players save for some CW who showed lots of growing pains. The issue was the putrid OL which really impacted QB1 as well. I personally did not want WR3 last year but I understood the pick. I sure don't want WR3 again this year in Matt Millen like fashion.

The team desperately needs 3-4 new OL starters and depth and guys on rookie contracts so that line can build chemistry over time.

The team has the worst OL in the league and until that is resolved, building from the outside in will continue to fail like Poles has failed to date. The DL needs a lot of work too. Great players at those positions on the OL and DL are harder to find than quality RBs and slot WRs.
Allen is gone so that's a huge hole on offense. I think we all agree that OL is a focal point for anything to function. That isn't debatable, you get no argument from me. So beyond that point, there is a hole in the receiving corps and two slightly above average players in Swift & Kmet. How exactly do you explain the concept that just fixing the OL will raise this team from #32 in offense to an actually good offense?
 

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I doubt Williams drops to 39.
He isn't considered a first rounder or even top 50 player by Daniel Jeremiah. PFF ranks him #40, just as the consensus ranking lists him at #40.

So yes Nolen is better than him as a pass rusher, but spending the #10 pick over the #39 pick better??
 

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Allen is gone so that's a huge hole on offense. I think we all agree that OL is a focal point for anything to function. That isn't debatable, you get no argument from me. So beyond that point, there is a hole in the receiving corps and two slightly above average players in Swift & Kmet. How exactly do you explain the concept that just fixing the OL will raise this team from #32 in offense to an actually good offense?

When a QB has time to operate, they operate much more efficiently. Hurts is not a great QB by any stretch of the imagination but he sure performs well behind a good OL. When you have a semblance of a running game, that helps the QB and opens up the offense. The OL last year was terrible run blocking too. CW never had a chance to succeed. He tried like hell to create plays and took too many sacks due to the lack of time and him wanting to create something positive.

Of course the team could always use more fire power. All teams can. But without solid trenches, they have zero chance at success. All one had to do was watch the Super Bowl to see how valuable the trenches are. Quit building from the outside in.

Please God don't let Poles use any of his top 3 picks on a RB or WR.
 

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When a QB has time to operate, they operate much more efficiently. Hurts is not a great QB by any stretch of the imagination but he sure performs well behind a good OL. When you have a semblance of a running game, that helps the QB and opens up the offense. The OL last year was terrible run blocking too. CW never had a chance to succeed. He tried like hell to create plays and took too many sacks due to the lack of time and him wanting to create something positive.

Of course the team could always use more fire power. All teams can. But without solid trenches, they have zero chance at success. All one had to do was watch the Super Bowl to see how valuable the trenches are. Quit building from the outside in.

Please God don't let Poles use any of his top 3 picks on a RB or WR.
I disagree that Hurts isn't good, he is pretty streaky however. The Bears goal doesn't have to be "recreate the philly or detroit OLine" There are many other successful offenses that don't have multiple all-pros or high round draft picks. Look at San Fran, Washington, Buffalo, Green Bay. Even the Eagles have 7th round picks, former 1st round busts, and second rounders mixed in.

There are many ways to find good OLine players, the problem for the Bears has been they keep bringing in cheap options or only picking one OL player every 2-3 years and hoping they get lucky.

I think it's silly to just believe that the offense will magically jump from 18 pts per game to +25 pts per game, despite losing a really good player in Keenan Allen... Just because the OL gets patched up.
 
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I disagree that Hurts isn't good, he is pretty streaky however. The Bears goal doesn't have to be "recreate the philly or detroit OLine" There are many other successful offenses that don't have multiple all-pros or high round draft picks. Look at San Fran, Washington, Buffalo, Green Bay. Even the Eagles have 7th round picks, former 1st round busts, and second rounders mixed in.

There are many ways to find good OLine players, the problem for the Bears has been they keep bringing in cheap options or only picking one OL player every 2-3 years and hoping they get lucky.

I did not say Hurts is not good. I said he's not great ("Hurts is not a great QB by any stretch of the imagination"). Many think a team needs a great QB to be successful. Quite the difference in Barkley too once he got behind a good OL. How good do you think Love would be if he didn't play behind a good OL in GB? I personally think he's be in the lower half of the league statistically.

I hope the Bears find at least 4 new OL and that they strike gold. Otherwise, it will be another miserable year for the QB and the weapons who all stunk for the most part last year because of the OL.

A good DL also makes the secondary look better and even the LBs. I will always maintain that building the trenches should be paramount.
 

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