Your day 2 predictions

[remydat]

love the mind reading, legit can't wait to see if you #calledit

The thread is literally asking us to make Day 2 predictions. You doing ok?

 

[Myk]

That type of OG who can play tackle in a pinch is arguably the type of young depth/development player the Bears need just don't draft him too early. DL who can contribute immediately is a bigger need imho.

The problem is if you scroll through NFL's rank we have to reach far to get oline now matter how you slice it, and the way they came off the board last night there's no guarantee anyone will be left if you wait.

I don't agree dline is a bigger need. If Williams has a season or career ending injury Bears will probably never have this opportunity again.
Too bad Jay Cutler's Thumb stopped posting on Twitter or we could ask his opinion.

 

[dabears70]

I don't want to be a team taking swings at OTs every draft. So to me, I'm just kicking the can down the road. I'd trade up if I need to next year and grab an OT. I don't think there's a lot of value in hoping someone taken at this point will be a top 15 player. It was a weak OT draft. Anyone with real hope is gone.

Savaiinea tested really well, but he looks slow even though he ran so well. It's kind of odd. I would treat him like Donovan Jackson or Thuney I guess. He's a guard and can help at OT in a pinch. I'd not plan to have him stay there. I say that really cause basically every expert says that's what it is and I'll just go with their expertise on it.

Yeah i should of said he could play T if needed but would be a great starting G.

 

[dabears70]

4.48 at 221 lbs works for me...

His vert and broad are excellent too. He’s powerful while still being explosive.

This guy does not fumble. Ball security is huge. Jeanty actually puts the ball on the ground too much.

What do you think about his YPC over his college career though?

 

[SugarWalls]

The thread is literally asking us to make Day 2 predictions. You doing ok?

Yeah the mind reading part is taking it a step further than just a prediction. Typically a prediction is what YOU think will happen, yet you claimed X will happen because of what Allen thinks.

 

[thenewguy]

I don't want to be a team taking swings at OTs every draft. So to me, I'm just kicking the can down the road. I'd trade up if I need to next year and grab an OT. I don't think there's a lot of value in hoping someone taken at this point will be a top 15 player. It was a weak OT draft. Anyone with real hope is gone.

Savaiinea tested really well, but he looks slow even though he ran so well. It's kind of odd. I would treat him like Donovan Jackson or Thuney I guess. He's a guard and can help at OT in a pinch. I'd not plan to have him stay there. I say that really cause basically every expert says that's what it is and I'll just go with their expertise on it.

I agree with this. I'm fine packaging picks next year if you need to. I think there are too many actual starters that can be had with the next three picks.

I do agree the Bears have undervalued trenches in the past, but I don't think it's a dire need and want to throw picks at it just cause. If Ersery is there cool, if not, go a different direction.

 

[Antobears]

The problem is if you scroll through NFL's rank we have to reach far to get oline now matter how you slice it, and the way they came off the board last night there's no guarantee anyone will be left if you wait.

I don't agree dline is a bigger need. If Williams has a season or career ending injury Bears will probably never have this opportunity again.
Too bad Jay Cutler's Thumb stopped posting on Twitter or we could ask his opinion.

Feels like they need some luck with whoever falls to them. Totally get why you see OL as a huge need. They're really rolling the dice again next season without more additions. I just remember how the D fell to pieces after Billings got injured. They are very thin on both lines.

 

[TL1961]

You probably aren't getting a plus LT at any point from here on out, at least for 2025. It's possible but not likely.

The William and Mary T is supposed to be good. I can only imagine the heads exploding.

 

[remydat]

Yeah the mind reading part is taking it a step further than just a prediction. Typically a prediction is what YOU think will happen, yet you claimed X will happen because of what Allen thinks.

Lol you are really mental. I said who I think Bears may target based on what Allen likes. @Discus fish salesman then responded by saying who he thinks also fits Allen's profile. Most here are giving suggestions based on what they think fit what the Bears are looking for. SMH!

 

[SugarWalls]

Lol you are really mental. I said who I think Bears may target based on what Allen likes. @Discus fish salesman then responded by saying who he thinks also fits Allen's profile. Most here are giving suggestions based on what they think fit what the Bears are looking for. SMH!

Idk I think @Discus fish salesman is doing a good job sticking to the topic at hand but you just always take it to the mind reader category, you just can't help but use your super human powers

 

[dabears70]

I agree with this. I'm fine packaging picks next year if you need to. I think there are too many actual starters that can be had with the next three picks.

I do agree the Bears have undervalued trenches in the past, but I don't think it's a dire need and want to throw picks at it just cause. If Ersery is there cool, if not, go a different direction.

I'd rather make a small trade down or even two in this draft to collect another pick or two.

 

[remydat]

Idk I think @Discus fish salesman is doing a good job sticking to the topic at hand but you just always take it to the mind reader category, you just can't help but use your super human powers

Cool story bro!

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

They are on lower end of Allen's range at 260. Burch is 279. Allen did say he is willing to sacrifice size for power so he could opt for one of those 3 but with Sweat already in that 265 range I think he goes bigger if he goes edge.

I could also see him going with Alexander ans havind Dayo, Alexander and Dexter rotate at LE and 3T.

Personally if Nick S is there then I go him and Henderson and get DL in the 3rd. Either edge or a guy like Walker to complete the rotation inside.

Does Allen also use bigger ends for rotational players? If they go dl it’s part of the rotation and likely not getting the majority of the snaps

 

[DefNextYear]

Based on what, being too athletic?

He just screams the type of guy who is drafted cause he's an athlete. Buzzwords that scare me are always when someone throws out the "if we can unlock his full potential". But generally, I hear these negatives with him:

• Not always dialed in
• Inconsistent
• Overaggressive and grabby

There were people who said he needed to land in a spot with good veterans to teach him and hone him in. Maybe the Bears have that with their secondary and Allen and Harris are as good as it gets to develop a DB. I'm sure Allen would love the joker style of play and it wouldn't surprise me if they took him.

I think this short summary says it for me:

Emmanwori is a tricky prospect who will require a leap of faith, considering where he's likely to be drafted. His elite athleticism and playmaking ability suggest his ceiling could be on par with a player like Kerby Joseph, but his underwhelming box play and questionable technique and instincts are more reminiscent of Isaiah Simmons, who was drafted in the first round in 2020 but has struggled to find a natural NFL position.

I'm not going to die on a hill arguing about it, cause I don't care enough. It's just a hunch that he's going to need a lot of support and development to make it. I think if he's going to make it in the NFL, it has to be with a team like the Bears with the support structure to utilize him in dynamic ways, with great infrastructure for a young DB (high level veterans, great DB coach, former DB defensive coordinator). So, I won't be upset. Clearly, many experts ranked him very high and expected he'd be off the board already.

 

[remydat]

Does Allen also use bigger ends for rotational players? If they go dl it’s part of the rotation and likely not getting the majority of the snaps

Think it was said Allen generally doesnt employ DEs under 260. Sweat is 262 and Allen would generally employ a guy that size at RE. Dayo is 286 and fits what he wants at LE.

So sure it is conceivable he can take a guy to be more of a pass rush specialist in that 260 range but if he wants that player to grow into a starter I was projecting him going with a bigger guy to eventually take over LE on premise Sweat > Dayo and thus remains the starter for the rest of his contract.

 

[DefNextYear]

That type of OG who can play tackle in a pinch is arguably the type of young depth/development player the Bears need just don't draft him too early. DL who can contribute immediately is a bigger need imho.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what's "too early". I'd love to believe they'd be there in the 3rd, but I kind of doubt it.

 

[DefNextYear]

I agree with this. I'm fine packaging picks next year if you need to. I think there are too many actual starters that can be had with the next three picks.

I do agree the Bears have undervalued trenches in the past, but I don't think it's a dire need and want to throw picks at it just cause. If Ersery is there cool, if not, go a different direction.

Yea, I just hope the team doesn't lose sight of the trenches. It's very easy to keep thinking "next round" until the talent is gone... then it becomes "next year". The Bears do this over and over and we end up with no depth.

I hope we stay healthy, but the reality is Thuney is near the end of his time. I hope we get two good years out of him, but who knows what's really going to happen? Even more risky, Jackson has had a lot of injuries and was even benched. Don't take this wrong, I like both moves and support them. I'm not trashing it in any way, but the reality is that it's a massive risk if they don't put the urgency it deserves to shore up the depth on this OL. It's just asking to be caught in the same spot the team was in last year. Just use one pick... just one... get a guy who can swing around the line and play some snaps to bridge injuries. Get him developed to hopefully be the next pro bowler (or all pro?) on this line. We can survive with investing one pick in lieu of ignoring it all again.

 

[Antobears]

Unfortunately, I have no idea what's "too early". I'd love to believe they'd be there in the 3rd, but I kind of doubt it.

I'm warming up to trading down for an extra 4 to have another spin of the roulette wheel. I presume getting a 3 back would mean having to drop back too far?
Should be an interesting night.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Think it was said Allen generally doesnt employ DEs under 260. Sweat is 262 and Allen would generally employ a guy that size at RE. Dayo is 286 and fits what he wants at LE.

So sure it is conceivable he can take a guy to be more of a pass rush specialist in that 260 range but if he wants that player to grow into a starter I was projecting him going with a bigger guy to eventually take over LE on premise Sweat > Dayo and thus remains the starter for the rest of his contract.

Makes sense if plan is for future starter cause sweat is only going to be here 1-2 more years

 

[Xplosive]

He just screams the type of guy who is drafted cause he's an athlete. Buzzwords that scare me are always when someone throws out the "if we can unlock his full potential". But generally, I hear these negatives with him:

• Not always dialed in
• Inconsistent
• Overaggressive and grabby

There were people who said he needed to land in a spot with good veterans to teach him and hone him in. Maybe the Bears have that with their secondary and Allen and Harris are as good as it gets to develop a DB. I'm sure Allen would love the joker style of play and it wouldn't surprise me if they took him.

I think this short summary says it for me:

Emmanwori is a tricky prospect who will require a leap of faith, considering where he's likely to be drafted. His elite athleticism and playmaking ability suggest his ceiling could be on par with a player like Kerby Joseph, but his underwhelming box play and questionable technique and instincts are more reminiscent of Isaiah Simmons, who was drafted in the first round in 2020 but has struggled to find a natural NFL position.

I'm not going to die on a hill arguing about it, cause I don't care enough. It's just a hunch that he's going to need a lot of support and development to make it. I think if he's going to make it in the NFL, it has to be with a team like the Bears with the support structure to utilize him in dynamic ways, with great infrastructure for a young DB (high level veterans, great DB coach, former DB defensive coordinator). So, I won't be upset. Clearly, many experts ranked him very high and expected he'd be off the board already.

Appreciate the response as always, I like to know the thought process of certain individual takes which allows me to always be open minded. When I look at prospects I like to first get a feel for how they performed based on their stats. Things like Tackles for loss, solo tackles, passes defended etcetera because I think its a big part of the evaluation, especially if the guy has done it in more than one season.

For a strong safety I value run defense so I take a look at tackles per game, if a safety is getting over 5 tackles a game I think that is pretty good. So for example Malaki Starks put up 5.5 tackles per game in 2024, which was a nice jump from getting 3.71 per game in 2023. I look at Nick Emmanwori and he got 6.77 in 2024 and 6.45 in 2023. I think that is very good production almost at a linebacker level and that's what I want to help in run support for the Bears.

Another important stat is pass deflections and interceptions for safeties, a guy with decent hands can usually get 3+ INTS in at least one of his seasons, ideally they will get interceptions and a good amount of deflections in multiple years. Emmanwori got 4 INTs but only 2 PD's in 2024, but he also got 2 INTs and 8 PD's in 2023. I look at that as evidence that he does have the ability and awareness to break up passes and good enough hands to hold on to a couple INTs along the way.

After looking at the stats, I then look at the athleticism as evidence of how he was able to win in his matchups and then I also look at what the pro's think in their evaluations... Either way, I think he could be a monster that can match up and potentially shut down TE's as well as be like that extra LB that cleans up the mess if a runner breaks into the secondary. As you say, no need to fight about any of it, just opinions and it will all play out in the years to come.