Zambrano and Ramirez won't waive no trade clauses

[nwfisch]

Interesting move by Zambrano, shows he really wants to be a Cub until he "retires" in 2012. Not surprised with Ramirez likely being a FA after this season. With those 2 trading chips off the table, where do the Cubs go with trading?

Dewitt?
Fukudome?
Other?

 

[poodski]

Cunts.... bunch of cunts.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

It's really Hendry's fault though. Man loves NTCs like he loves his donuts.

But, I don't have a problem with Z staying. He's shown the only heart on this team. Ramirez, on the other hand, has basically just shown that he's here to pick up a check and then go home. If we can't trade him, I say we just release him then.

We should be able to trade Kosuke, and as much as it pains me to say it, possibly Byrd.

 

[Rice Cube]

They're probably just trying to get leverage before the trade deadline. I wouldn't read too much into it. If they do want to stay as Cubs, great! I thought Cubs fans loved players like that. But there are other factors, like the fact that both Z and Rami are settled into their communities in Chicago and have earned the right not to be forced to move elsewhere for work. How would you like it if your employer forcibly transferred you somewhere you didn't really want to go?

Let's see what happens.

 

[FirstTimer]

Interesting move by Zambrano, shows he really wants to be a Cub until he "retires" in 2012. Not surprised with Ramirez likely being a FA after this season. With those 2 trading chips off the table, where do the Cubs go with trading?

IIRC hink Ramirez has a mutual option that can be exercised after this season. There's nothing saying he will for sure be gone.

Dewitt?
Fukudome?
Other?

Marmol
Byrd..assuming he comes back from injury and plays well

 

[Rice Cube]

IIRC hink Ramirez has a mutual option that can be exercised after this season. There's nothing saying he will for sure be gone.



Marmol
Byrd..assuming he comes back from injury and plays well

I'd be surprised if Ramirez wasn't bought out next year assuming the Cubs don't release/trade him. I don't think he'd bring much back and that 2012 option becomes guaranteed if he is traded. There's no way he walks away from $16MM to waive that option to allow for an easier trade. It'd be stupid on both the Cubs' and Ramirez's parts.

I'd put feelers out for trading everyone except for Castro and Brett Jackson.

 

[poodski]

It's really Hendry's fault though. Man loves NTCs like he loves his donuts.

Eh almost all big time FA signings have NTC's in them.

Its not really Hendry its the way baseball is now a days.

Same thing with the backloaded contract myth. It only looks backloaded because of the signing bonus. Soriano actually made 17 million his first year with the Cubs, not 9 million.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'd be surprised if Ramirez wasn't bought out next year assuming the Cubs don't release/trade him. I don't think he'd bring much back and that 2012 option becomes guaranteed if he is traded. There's no way he walks away from $16MM to waive that option to allow for an easier trade. It'd be stupid on both the Cubs' and Ramirez's parts.

I'd put feelers out for trading everyone except for Castro and Brett Jackson.

I'd have to see how the buyout works. IIRC it's around $2 million. If the Cubs buyout that option, they are still on the hook for the $16 million in 2012 aren't they?

I'm not that in tune with the details of how all that would go down.

 

[Rice Cube]

I'd have to see how the buyout works. IIRC it's around $2 million. If the Cubs buyout that option, they are still on the hook for the $16 million in 2012 aren't they?

I'm not that in tune with the details of how all that would go down.

The $2MM buyout means they don't have to pay Rami the full $16MM. They might not even have to pay that if Rami decides to not pick up his half of the option but I think that's extremely unlikely. If they release him (let's say after August 31st, the waiver deadline) then they'd have to pay the buyout and that's that.

 

[TheCubfather]

i'll pack Aramis's bags for him on the way out. i'll take Big Z for at least another year. his passion is great and his comments a few days ago were priceless. other than that, i'd say everyone could be trade bait except the young guys.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

i think we are all at a consensus that a ram should be out and z should be kept

atleast z is still a significant contributor as a pitcher

 

[FirstTimer]

The $2MM buyout means they don't have to pay Rami the full $16MM. They might not even have to pay that if Rami decides to not pick up his half of the option but I think that's extremely unlikely. If they release him (let's say after August 31st, the waiver deadline) then they'd have to pay the buyout and that's that.

That'd be a pretty risky move with Vitters not ready by any stretch.


How much do they have to pay him? I assume it would be somewhere around half $6-8 million + the buyout?

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

i think we are all at a consensus that a ram should be out and z should be kept

atleast z is still a significant contributor as a pitcher

As you as you're Yoda, you should talk like Yoda, you must.

That'd be a pretty risky move with Vitters not ready by any stretch.

How much do they have to pay him? I assume it would be somewhere around half $6-8 million + the buyout?

I thought if Ramirez didn't exercise his option, the Cubs didn't have to pay anything, but if the Cubs were not to exercise it, it was his salary + the buyout?

But that might not be right.

 

[TheCubfather]

I thought if Ramirez didn't exercise his option, the Cubs didn't have to pay anything, but if the Cubs were not to exercise it, it was his salary + the buyout?

But that might not be right.

that's how I interpret the contract as well. hope that's how it is anyway.

 

[Rice Cube]

That'd be a pretty risky move with Vitters not ready by any stretch.


How much do they have to pay him? I assume it would be somewhere around half $6-8 million + the buyout?

No, if the Cubs don't pick up the team option, they should only be responsible for the buyout.

Jeff Baker or Blake DeWitt will probably handle the 3B duties anyway. If we're trading Ramirez, or releasing him, the team's pretty much out of it at that point so it doesn't really matter who plays 3B in garbage time.

 

[FirstTimer]

No, if the Cubs don't pick up the team option, they should only be responsible for the buyout.

Fair enough.

Thanks for the info.

 

[daddies3angels]

Z dont surprise me but A-Ram i dont think teams will want him anyways cause his option would kick in for next year if traded

 

[Rice Cube]

Z dont surprise me but A-Ram i dont think teams will want him anyways cause his option would kick in for next year if traded

That is definitely true. And I doubt he'd want to walk away from a guaranteed $2MM if they buy him out so he's not going to waive that option. I don't think he can put together a good enough month to excite enough teams to make them want to pick up that option for the Cubs, either.

 

[AE23]

cool(butthead voice)

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

As you as you're Yoda, you should talk like Yoda, you must.
.

A headache,those words are giving me.