1994 Bulls vs 2011 Bulls in 7 game series

[FirstTimer]

I hear you. Jordan was kinda looked at as the redheaded stepchild. But he overcame it. But I would submiit to you that if doug collins ran a little more offense, the bulls probably would've won more games. As opposed to "just give the ball to jordan and get the **** out the way" offense.

That's a very different argument. That doesn't mean Jordan was being selfish. if anything that's an indictment of Collins and Jordan being coachable.

that's true too. But there's just an exception to every rule. And jordan was fortunate to have determined defensive minded players with him.

An exception? His entire playoff career isn't an "exception". It's a pattern. A routine.

again I agree his teammates could've been better. But let's look at that year he scored 37 ppg. That team had a 40-42 record. His core players were oakley, paxson,corzine, granville waiters (lol),brad sellers, and gene banks. In 95 scottie pippen had the bulls on pace to win 44 games with a core of toni kukoc, pete myers, kerr, corie blount, will perdue larry krystowiak and ron harper who played sparringly cuz he could pick up the offense. if you learn how to use your teammates right, you should get more out of them

Virtually everyone you named on that 1994 roster was better than the 1986-87 team. Paxson and Oakley are the only real "names" and at that time they were young. That 1994 team was a veteran 3 time championship experienced team at important positions..and some players with other championship experience. Even the "rookie" player in Kukoc was a veteran of the international game with a lot of experience.

In summation your comparison is absurd and completely off base.

I think, if you put 91-98 jordan on that team, they win 50 games.

That means virtually nothing.

Here are the Bulls win totals from 1986-1987 on:
40
50
47
55
The Bulls were winning nearly 50 games or more with the "selfish" Jordan even at the end of Collins' tenure.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

lol is he still trying to argue that wilkins was on jordan's level in the 80s?

Jordan was a better scorer, defender,more efficient,better passer, and a better playoffs performer

but ya,besides that you're relatively close

btw on the wins thing...saying jordan did not impact the game on the win column:

Rookie Season:2nd in win shares

2nd season he played 18 games due to injury so i wont count that

3rd season(1986-1987):Jordan #1 in win shares

4th season:Jordan #1 in win shares again

5th season:Jordan #1 again

6th season:guess whos #1 thats right..JORDAN

btw wilkins only showed up once in the top 5 win shares wise in that span(1986-1987)

yes i know win shares arent perfect...but you cant completely throw them out the door and say "oh well thats complete shit and jordan did not have a great winning impact"

because he did..and the stats support it...and that bulls team in the mid to late 80s was not that great..WHY DO YOU THINK THEY PICKED SECOND to get jordan in the 84 draft..

once they got pippen they were a little better but pippen was still young and there was a lot of competition in the east

dominique has never been on jordan's level..never..

 

[97Bulls]

That's a very different argument. That doesn't mean Jordan was being selfish. if anything that's an indictment of Collins and Jordan being coachable.


An exception? His entire playoff career isn't an "exception". It's a pattern. A routine.


Virtually everyone you named on that 1994 roster was better than the 1986-87 team. Paxson and Oakley are the only real "names" and at that time they were young. That 1994 team was a veteran 3 time championship experienced team at important positions..and some players with other championship experience. Even the "rookie" player in Kukoc was a veteran of the international game with a lot of experience.

In summation your comparison is absurd and completely off base.



That means virtually nothing.

Here are the Bulls win totals from 1986-1987 on:
40
50
47
55
The Bulls were winning nearly 50 games or more with the "selfish" Jordan even at the end of Collins' tenure.

I said the 95 team. Not 94. By 95, the only player left over from the 1st 3peat, was pippen. I was comparing the team jordan had in 87 to the team pippen had in 95. And how muxh teamwork helps

 

[FirstTimer]

I said the 95 team. Not 94. By 95, the only player left over from the 1st 3peat, was pippen. I was comparing the team jordan had in 87 to the team pippen had in 95. And how muxh teamwork helps

1995 Bulls(in order of MPG and no Jordan)
Pippen
Kukoc
Armstrong
Kerr
Purdue
Harper (20mpg..lol at "sparingly")
Longley
Myers
Foster
English
Kyrstowiak
Blount
Wennington
Buechler
Simpkins

Again, a lot of solid vets on this team. In fact you had the core bench group of the 72 win team here. Sans Randy Brown. 3 starters from the 72 win team minus Jordan and Rodman.

So again comparing even 1995 to 1987 is dumb as all hell.
*bolded 3-peat members*

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I said the 95 team. Not 94. By 95, the only player left over from the 1st 3peat, was pippen. I was comparing the team jordan had in 87 to the team pippen had in 95. And how muxh teamwork helps

Actually, there were 3 players left on the 95 team that were from the first 3 peat..WILL PERDUE, B.J ARMSTRONG AND SCOTTIE PIPPEN....Sorry to have to correct you bro. Your still a cool guy though..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...7rjkDg&usg=AFQjCNFFc9YSMcvYhwd-DzTkXwUk3kJv8A

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I said the 95 team. Not 94. By 95, the only player left over from the 1st 3peat, was pippen. I was comparing the team jordan had in 87 to the team pippen had in 95. And how muxh teamwork helps

funny because this thread title is about pippen and the 93-94 team

 

[clonetrooper264]

Will this thread ever die? xD

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Will this thread ever die? xD

frankly i want it to keep going


let's debate more about why michael jordan isnt a winner
:jackson:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Will this thread ever die? xD

N E V E R !!!!!!!!!!!!

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[nwfisch]

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[clonetrooper264]

So be it. opcorn:

At least it's entertaining...

 

[scottiepippen1994]

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[97Bulls]

funny because this thread title is about pippen and the 93-94 team

This whole thread has been off topic since page 3

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

This whole thread has been off topic since page 3

i know that

 

[Brandon LaChance]

this is too easy...1994 Bulls. The 2011 squad has no answers for Scottie Pippen defensively or to stop his defense. Deng can try, but Pip could easily drop 30 points on him.

94 also has a way deeper bench, better shooters and bigger more physical front court players.

94 sweeps the 2011 Bulls. Rose wouldn't allow blow outs, but Pip and company had too much swagger.

 

[houheffna]

this is too easy...1994 Bulls. The 2011 squad has no answers for Scottie Pippen defensively or to stop his defense. Deng can try, but Pip could easily drop 30 points on him.

94 also has a way deeper bench, better shooters and bigger more physical front court players.

94 sweeps the 2011 Bulls. Rose wouldn't allow blow outs, but Pip and company had too much swagger.

94 didn't have a WAY deeper bench, 2011 had a better bench, if you look at how the players were used. I don't think Deng has a hard time keeping Pippen from scoring 30 points on him...against the Bulls in that playoff, Lebron scored 30 pts once, and that took 50 minutes for him to do. Pippen wasn't nearly as potent as Lebron is offensively.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Are we playing with the hand check rule or not?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

this is too easy...1994 Bulls. The 2011 squad has no answers for Scottie Pippen defensively or to stop his defense. Deng can try, but Pip could easily drop 30 points on him.

94 also has a way deeper bench, better shooters and bigger more physical front court players.

94 sweeps the 2011 Bulls. Rose wouldn't allow blow outs, but Pip and company had too much swagger.

B I N G O....1994 Bulls win series all day eveyday...Just like I said on first page.!!!!... :support: !!!!!!!

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:jackson:

 

[nwfisch]

Oh boy. Brandon got the kiss of death from Scottie Pippen.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

1994 Pippen led Bulls in close game on road against warriors...Check out young sprewell and rookie Chris Webber....The game highlights are linked below.....
ENJOY !!!!!

‪Bulls@Warriors - 04.02.1994 - Scottie Pippen 30pts 5rebs 5asts, H.Grant 24pts 19reb - Sprewell 18pts‬‏ - YouTube

Your welcome for more 94 Bulls dominance..:jackson: