2012 Free Agents: Who do the Cubs go after?

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which is why he failed this season and probably next.

The economy is still on a down, and will continue to get worse in the next 3 years....you arent going to make alot of money regardless of the product right now. If the team is elite with a ton of superstars, you may see people come out and spend the money they dont have.....but while you are in one of the worst economies you go on the cheap and play the kids.

exactly.
 

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which is why he failed this season and probably next.

The economy is still on a down, and will continue to get worse in the next 3 years....you arent going to make alot of money regardless of the product right now. If the team is elite with a ton of superstars, you may see people come out and spend the money they dont have.....but while you are in one of the worst economies you go on the cheap and play the kids.

In terms of baseball, I think you are a bit off. I think that a big superstar like Fielder or Pujols will put this team pretty close to the top(and at very least winning games again), which will bring fans to the park because we are winning. However, if we do sign one of them, that can not be all that we do. We need to get a Kelly Johnson, Jason Kubel, someone else like that as well.
 

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In terms of baseball, I think you are a bit off. I think that a big superstar like Fielder or Pujols will put this team pretty close to the top(and at very least winning games again), which will bring fans to the park because we are winning. However, if we do sign one of them, that can not be all that we do. We need to get a Kelly Johnson, Jason Kubel, someone else like that as well.

not. even. close.

one player will bring this team close to the top? :lmao:
 

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In terms of baseball, I think you are a bit off. I think that a big superstar like Fielder or Pujols will put this team pretty close to the top(and at very least winning games again), which will bring fans to the park because we are winning. However, if we do sign one of them, that can not be all that we do. We need to get a Kelly Johnson, Jason Kubel, someone else like that as well.

Prince Fielder might be good enough to carry the offense on most days, but there's also the part where the rest of the team (especially if Kosuke and Pena are gone and Soto keeps batting 8th) can't get on base, so he's either going to hit a lot of solo homers or get IBBed a lot.

The point of free agency is to fill the holes that your in-house team has. In order for the Cubs to fill all the holes they will need a Yankees-Plus payroll. What in the past couple years makes you think the Ricketts have that kind of money?
 

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Prince Fielder might be good enough to carry the offense on most days, but there's also the part where the rest of the team (especially if Kosuke and Pena are gone and Soto keeps batting 8th) can't get on base, so he's either going to hit a lot of solo homers or get IBBed a lot.

The point of free agency is to fill the holes that your in-house team has. In order for the Cubs to fill all the holes they will need a Yankees-Plus payroll. What in the past couple years makes you think the Ricketts have that kind of money?

We really only have two holes at 1B and 2B, so I don't see why we would need a Yankees Payroll.

I really think that the Cubs just need two or three players that can take a walk, and the other free swinging players will start to walk more. I believe that not only is hitting contagious, but patience is as well. Which is why I like Johnson and Kubel, both walk at very good rates. Both around 8 or 9 percent.
 

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Prince Fielder might be good enough to carry the offense on most days, but there's also the part where the rest of the team (especially if Kosuke and Pena are gone and Soto keeps batting 8th) can't get on base, so he's either going to hit a lot of solo homers or get IBBed a lot.

The point of free agency is to fill the holes that your in-house team has. In order for the Cubs to fill all the holes they will need a Yankees-Plus payroll. What in the past couple years makes you think the Ricketts have that kind of money?

well alot of IBB could actually be helpful considering we barely get any BBs because of lack of plate discipline

but ya...sure a pujols or fielder would be a hell of an addition..it would be especially helpful if we got rid of iffy contracts(fukudome and pena) and go out and get another smaller addition...but one or two additions is not going to put us to the top..there's still alot of other issues that cant be resolved given the amount of money Ricketts has
 

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well alot of IBB could actually be helpful considering we barely get any BBs because of lack of plate discipline

but ya...sure a pujols or fielder would be a hell of an addition..it would be especially helpful if we got rid of iffy contracts(fukudome and pena) and go out and get another smaller addition...but one or two additions is not going to put us to the top..there's still alot of other issues that cant be resolved given the amount of money Ricketts has

What big issues are these?
 

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yeah CO Fielder puts you as a contender. ok.
 

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We really only have two holes at 1B and 2B, so I don't see why we would need a Yankees Payroll.

I really think that the Cubs just need two or three players that can take a walk, and the other free swinging players will start to walk more. I believe that not only is hitting contagious, but patience is as well. Which is why I like Johnson and Kubel, both walk at very good rates. Both around 8 or 9 percent.

3B is a hole.

Sure you can buy a 2B, but then you're blocking guys in the minors who could come up and fill that hole.

You can also argue that LF and RF are holes, because the only decent prospect coming up is Brett Jackson and he needs to stay in CF. Soriano is a shell of his former self and Byrd would be pushed to RF.

The team you are suggesting, in addition to Fielder, would need a lot of overachievement and luck to contend. And no, they won't have a Yankees-size payroll because outside of Pujols and Fielder, the rest of the free agent class is mediocre. Everyone who's good is under team options and will probably be retained.

Every sign this offseason is screaming for the Ricketts to save their money and rebuild. They have to anyway.
 

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The guys who are currently here...Soto is somewhat inconsistent and injury-prone. Castro and Barney are impatient singles-hitters who don't walk. Soriano should probably play first base since there's no DH in the NL. This team is so ridiculously flawed that I'm surprised you don't see it.

And we haven't even gotten to the rotation yet. They're just not that good.
 

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We really aren't as bad as you think. Plus, Fielder completely changes the way this offense works.
 

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We really aren't as bad as you think. Plus, Fielder completely changes the way this offense works.

The record this year even before all the injuries speaks otherwise. This is an expensive, aging, declining, very bad team. They have to be rebuilt.
 

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The record this year even before all the injuries speaks otherwise. This is an expensive, aging, declining, very bad team. They have to be rebuilt.


If done right dont need to be rebuilt. Big market teams shouldnt have to rebuild.
 

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Don't bother arguing with Captain Obvious, he knows everything.


and yes, the Cubs are as bad as everyone thinks. The Brewers have been to the playoffs one time with Fielder on their active roster so what makes you think that he would change the entire dynamic of the Cubs' offense? Not to mention, will the Cubs be able to even sign him in the offseason? I'm not so sure.

I'm not trying to start shit but I've read a ton of Captain Obvious' posts on this message board and the guy is a mini Dan Bernstein who constantly questions other people's thoughts/opinions and thinks he's always right. Just my objective view. I have nothing personal against C.O., I'm sure he's a nice guy.



Well umm... we are a big market team.






We really aren't as bad as you think


Why do you keep saying "we"? Are you a member of the Chicago Cubs organization?
 
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We really aren't as bad as you think. Plus, Fielder completely changes the way this offense works.

how so?

and if fielder is such an impact player(especially in the wins column)....why have the brewers not had great success with him...and its not like he isnt the only good player on the team either..
 

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What big issues are these?

aging and/or underperforming veterans(soto,fukudome,a ram,pena etc.) and younger players that are still learning the game offensively and defensively....

not to mention we are in the bottom in the NL in most pitching categories...now of course you can attribute that partially to the fact that our rotation has been hit pretty hard by the injury bug...but lets not act like we have a stud rotation...dempster is aging(still a good player but his performances seem to be either great or very bad)...zambrano is a good pitcher but still has mental err "issues"...getting garza back is big...but the cubs need one of those three guys or someone else(maybe through trade or free agency) to step up as an ace which is needed for any franchise to succeed especially in the postseason....
 

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Not to mention, will the Cubs be able to even sign him in the offseason? I'm not so sure.

i doubt it too...it'd be great to get fielder or pujols.....but at this point i just dont see it happening
 

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We really aren't as bad as you think. Plus, Fielder completely changes the way this offense works.

:rolleyes: that is priceless right there. Surrounding Fielder with garbage really doesnt do much for the "offense"


Well umm... we are a big market team. Why would you assume that we can not spend like one?

Correct, big market team....but if you would put the glass of kool aid down you will see the ownership is in a bit of trouble.

Dodgers are a big market team as well, doesnt mean they can spend due to their own financial trouble.

think before you post.
 

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