2014 DRAFT CHAT

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•Within that mock draft, Manuel notes that president Theo Epstein was part of a Cubs contingent that scouted Kennesaw State catcher Max Pentecost in last weekend’s Atlantic Sun Conference Tournament. If Rodon doesn’t fall to the Cubs at No. 4, the team could sign Pentecost to a money-saving deal that would allow them to spend more in the later portions of the draft. BA’s current projection is for that very scenario to play out.

Max Pentecost
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Stats thru 4/21
.387/.447/.572 15-2b, 1-3b, 5 HR 36 RBI 18/19 BB/SO Defense 14/29 CS/SBA
’13 Cape Cod 35 G .346/.424/.538 7-2b, 6 HR 16/22 BB/SO
’13 Ken St. .302/.374/.410 14-2b, 3 HR 22/27 BB/SO
’12 NE College Lg .303/.376/.424 7-2b, 3-HR 15/35 BB/SO
’12 Ken St. 56 G .277/.364/.393 16-2b, 3-3b 21/32 BB/SO

Want a true catcher with some upside at the plate? Then Pentecost could be your man as this guy is as good as a defensive catcher as you will find in the college ranks this year. For a catcher Pentecost is a plus runner and that athleticism is the same reason that many think he will just continue to get better as a receiver behind the dish. He isn’t as big as Sal Perez but if the Royals want a guy who can stick behind the dish for a longtime when Perez starts to outgrow the position then Max could be the perfect selection.

As for Pentecost plate ability he could fit the K very well as a hitter who could hit for a decent average while being a gap to gap hitter. Obviously his size shows he doesn’t project for plus power but his combo of hitting skill, speed and gap proclivity should allow him to excel at the major league level. Some this season have compared him to Buster Posey but that seems a bit too lofty for my taste and would say at best he would be a 3/4 Posey but even that is a solid major league catcher.
 

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How is his throwing arm? How is he at calling games?
 

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How is his throwing arm? How is he at calling games?

From what I've read, it's been good. Good arm strength and has a long arm/release. He's apparently quick behind the plate as well.
 

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I like Gordon over Pentecost but Max is V. Good. Solid receiver who can do things at the plate? Sign me up. Just not at four.


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I like Gordon over Pentecost but Max is V. Good. Solid receiver who can do things at the plate? Sign me up. Just not at four.


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My thoughts exactly. I want Aaron Nola though. I know his stuff doesnt produce this pick but he just fucking knows how to pitch. I see a great future in him.
 

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Houston, who has the No. 1 pick a third straight year, is hard to predict.

The Astros were said as of last week to be in internal debates about which of two top lefthanded pitching prospects -- Carlos Rodon of NC State or San Diego high-schooler Brady Aiken -- to take with the No. 1 overall pick in the upcoming baseball draft.

Either of those players would not represent any sort of surprise, but a rumor was gaining steam in recent days that the Astros may consider going off the board and taking talented high school shortstop Nicholas Gordon instead.

That may well just be a rumor, but it's stirring additional intrigue in baseball circles. Folks view the Astros as nothing if not unpredictable, so perhaps it shouldn't be such a surprise.

Gordon's decision to skip the Florida high school All-Star game triggered speculation he may already have a deal. Although, according to a source close to Gordon (think brother Dee of the Dodgers with more power and a better arm) he only passed on that game for a more mundane reason; he has nothing more to gain by playing, which most certainly is true. If he doesn't go No. 1, he most likely will be gone by No. 5 (Twins), or at the latest No. 7 (Phillies).

For weeks, the three top draft prospects have been viewed as Rodon, who features a superb slider, Aiken, a polished three-pitch high-schooler, and righthander Tyler Kolek, a 100-mph prep thrower from Texas. But in recent days, power-hitting outfielder/catcher Alex Jackson, yet another San Diego high school product, LSU pitcher Aaron Nola and especially Gordon, like Dee the son of long-time major league pitcher Tom Gordon, are threatening to break into that top triumvirate.

The Astros have the first choice for an unprecedented third straight season, and rivals say they can't even guess what they will do in the annual June 5 amateur draft, which is said to be well-stocked with talent despite the usual naysayers.

The Astros surprised more than a few folks two years ago by taking Puerto Rico high school shortstop Carlos Correa in a pick that looks prescient now that Correa is playing like a future superstar, then they went for a more conventional choice last year when they drafted first hard-throwing Stanford righthander Mark Appel, who was rated No. 1 or 2 on most boards (though Appel received the second biggest bonus to No. 2 pick Kris Bryant, who went to the Cubs).

By signing Correa, who didn't insist on slot money for the first overall pick but instead agreed to a below-slot $4.8-million bonus, the Astros were able to sign multiple players above the slot number later in that draft, including highly-regarded pitcher Lance McCullers Jr. and top infielder Rio Ruiz. One agent predicted the Astros could do the same again, perhaps picking the top player who's willing to do the right deal, which would allow them to spend more later.

"The Astros are all about the deal,” another agent said.

If that's true, they may well pass on Rodon, who word is won't be looking to offer a discount as a Scott Boras client and easily the major-league readiest of the consensus top-five players. The others, all talented high-schoolers, have longer roads and presumably come with more question marks. Here is a rundown of the top five players, plus one more, which is thought to be the full list of a half-dozen Astros considerations.

(Astros GM Jeff Luhnow, who was scouting in Japan, didn't return a text.)

1. Carlos Rodon, LHP, N.C. State. The consensus No. 1 pick coming into the year probably still rates highest if money isn't an issue. But Rodon will be cutting no bargains, so he could fall a few spots. He didn't have a perfect college season, but he is a hard thrower (mid 90s) with an 89-mph slider that “disappears” when he's on plus an unintended cutter (one scouting director likens him to Al Leiter, which isn't bad). Word is, the Astros' front office was favoring Rodon while the team's scouts may prefer Aiken. Should he be passed over by the Astros, the Marlins might be tempted to form a dynamic one-two Cuban pitching combo with also Jose Fernandez (and Rodon is a Miami product), though the power-hitting Jackson also has been linked to Miami, which needs position players more.

2. Brady Aiken, LHP, San Diego Cathedral Catholic HS. He has a superb three-pitch repertoire and is seen as a very advanced prep pitcher. He's certainly a candidate to go first, and would probably cost less than Rodon. There's no evident risk in him other than the long history of top-rated prep pitchers failing to love up to his early billing (no high school pitcher ever picked No. 1 overall has had a long and distinguished major-league career).

3. Nicholas Gordon, SS, Orlando (Fla.) Olympia HS. The five-tool Gordon has emerged recently as likely to-five pick after being seen only a couple months ago as only a top-15 choice. He's played baseball since he was very small, unlike his half brother Dee, who originally preferred basketball. Dee Gordon's emergence this year as an impact player with the Dodgers can't hurt, either. Almost every scout who talks about Gordon mentions “bloodlines” as one of the key factors in his ascendance. Besides the Astros, the Cubs, who pick fourth, the Twins (fifth) and Phillies (seventh) have shown particular interest in Gordon. Few seem him getting past Minnesota, and if he does, Philadelphia, who is looking to work him out, would almost surely snap him up.

4. Alex Jackson, C/OF, Rancho Bernardo HS, Escondido, Calif. Jackson lives up to his great baseball name and is viewed as the best power prospect in the draft and a certain middle-of-the-order hitter. As a bonus, he also has a huge arm. Some could see him moving to the outfield or even third base, but he may also stick as a catcher. He draws comparisons to Bryce Harper, though he isn't quite the teen prodigy Harper was.

5. Tyler Kolek, RHP, Shepherd (Tex.) HS. He is the hardest-throwing of all the top prospects, as he's touched 102 mph and pitches in the high 90s. Texas has a history of producing terrific high school arms, from Nolan Ryan to Josh Beckett, though one scout offered a slightly less flattering comparison of Brad Penny, as he is a bit big-bodied. He also has a slider and curveball, rounding out an all-time repertoire for a high-schooler. He is also the most geographically desirable, as his hometown of Shepherd is exactly a one-hour drive to Houston.

6. Aaron Nola, RHP, LSU. He'd be a surprise at No. 1, but like Rodon, he's seen as a “fast mover.” He has a dynamic slider to go with a mid 90s fastball and is viewed as a terrific athlete. His brother Austin, a former LSU Tiger, is an infielder in the Marlins organization.

The hard-throwing East Carolina righthander Jeff Hoffman would have been in the middle of that group (Cubs honchos Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer were said to have been blow away by what they saw of him before he went down) but will be delayed a year after having Tommy John surgery, though scouts still see him going in the top half of the first round.

So might LSU fireballer Erick Fedde, who suffered the same fate after rapidly climbing boards. As it stands, Evansville lefthander Kyle Freeland, Oregon State outfielder Michael Conforto, North Carolina State shortstop Trea Turner probably are other top-10 picks.

As for pick No. 1, while Rodon and Aiken may be the most logical, the multitalented Gordon could be intriguing. While he'd represent something of a surprise, especially since the Astros took a shortstop No. 1 two years ago (and Correa looks to remain a shortstop based on the brilliant early returns), there are obvious risks that come with taking pitchers.

The near epidemic of Tommy John surgeries and other concerns among talented young pitchers might give more than a team or two pause. “A lot of people are on their heels with some of these arm injuries,” one scouting director said.

If that weighs into Houston's thinking, they may indeed take a close look at Gordon. Or maybe even Jackson. With them, who knows?

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer...ken-no-1-overall-or-pull-surprise-with-gordon
 

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Stroes Brady Aiken
Miami Alex Jackson
Sox Rondon
Cubs tough call at this point. siding toward Kolek for now. Big body concerns me some but he hits 100 mph.

Now they were tied to Hoffman. Makes me wonder if they stick with him regardless and sign him under slot and focus more $$$ latter round.
Looking at it there is no clear cut #1.
 

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I'm seeing predictions that we're gonna go with Alex Jackson or Nicholas Gordon...
 

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Wow... I didn't realize it was coming up this quick... the Hawks have really cut off my following of other sports during this playoff run.
 

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If we make it to the Stanley Cup, June 5 is not a game day anyway... Game 1 in June 4.
 

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Man that's rough, I really like Gordon as a top five talent, would be most excellent if either the Cubs or White Sox got him. Love his profile.

Am I right that he has been clocked in the mid 90s throwing off the mound as well? I could have sworn I saw a tweet about that at some point but can't find it. Would definitely add to my interest in Gordon if there was the fallback of pitching as well.
 

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Am I right that he has been clocked in the mid 90s throwing off the mound as well? I could have sworn I saw a tweet about that at some point but can't find it. Would definitely add to my interest in Gordon if there was the fallback of pitching as well.

and he has a hammer curve and a change that flashes. He's a legit pitching prospect, albeit a mid round one.
 

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and he has a hammer curve and a change that flashes. He's a legit pitching prospect, albeit a mid round one.

See that is what to love about Gordon. Not that he is going to be a Micah Owings/Brooks Kieshnick pitcher/pinch hitter type, but I love the fact that you gamble that he puts it together as a SS. If the hit tool doesn't develop the way most scouts seem to think it will you have a pretty decent relief pitcher profile. That sounds exactly like his dad in terms of pitching profile.
 

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See that is what to love about Gordon. Not that he is going to be a Micah Owings/Brooks Kieshnick pitcher/pinch hitter type, but I love the fact that you gamble that he puts it together as a SS. If the hit tool doesn't develop the way most scouts seem to think it will you have a pretty decent relief pitcher profile. That sounds exactly like his dad in terms of pitching profile.

He basically is Flash the younger on the mound. Bloodlines are strong with this one. Love the potential with him. He's my favorite guy in the draft.


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He basically is Flash the younger on the mound. Bloodlines are strong with this one. Love the potential with him. He's my favorite guy in the draft.


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Flash the younger isn't a bad outcome either. I can see the Astros Carlos Correa-ing him even more now.
 

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Flash the younger isn't a bad outcome either. I can see the Astros Carlos Correa-ing him even more now.

I know, it's sad for me personally. I wanted him close. Might have to move to Texas.


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I know, it's sad for me personally. I wanted him close. Might have to move to Texas.


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Meh I haven't seen them enough, but the possibility of Rodon falling to the Cubs is starting to look more and more real which is exciting to say the least.
 

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