2015 Baseball Hall of Fame elections

[brett05]

Longevity is an elite standard to me. Guys that stink don't play long

 

[dabears253313]

Lee Smith has no business in the hall of fame, IMO.

The Hall has become, for many, a reward for staying healthy and accumulating stats.

He was a good closer who pitched a long time. But at no time was he a shut down closer who you knew would get the save. He was durable, and accumulated a lot of saves. But he was nowhere near the caliber of the closers in the HOF.

He had the career saves record at the time of his retirment, I would think that would have helped him get in. A lot of career record holders get in.

 

[TL1961]

Longevity is an elite standard to me. Guys that stink don't play long

There are hundreds of players who played 15+ years that aren't in the HOF.

Yes, you have to be major league quality for a long time in order to stick. That doesn't mean HOF quality.

 

[knoxville7]

The announcement of immortality will come for some later this afternoon at 2PM. If your vote counted, who would you be inducting today for the Hall?

My ballot:

Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
Craig Biggio
John Smoltz
Tim Raines
Jeff Bagwell
Mike Piazza
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Curt Schilling

Guys who I left off but feel are deserving of strong consideration. Again, the ballot limit is 10 inductees.

Gary Sheffield
Mike Mussina
Edgar Martinez
Jeff Kent

ive noticed a lot of people including bonds and Clemens but not sosa. IMO if you include bonds and Clemens, then you have to include sosa. you cant have a biased view of which PED users you like and which ones you don't. if you ignore PED's for one or more players than you have to ignore it for all players and in that case sosa's numbers warrant first ballot HOF. personally, i would leave sosa, Clemens, bonds, and all other known PED users off.

 

[brett05]

There are hundreds of players who played 15+ years that aren't in the HOF.

Yes, you have to be major league quality for a long time in order to stick. That doesn't mean HOF quality.

Of course not. But it's part of it.

Edit. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/leaders_most_seasons.shtml

Looks like longevity means almost exclusively you are a great player

 

[Parade_Rain]

Watching baseball guys discuss the HOF, it seems to me there are so many who want every player to get in. But I admit this year's ballot had a lot of guys who should at least get serious consideration.

Congrats to the 4 who were elected. (I cringe at Biggio as HOF'er, but will relent)

It is odd how some guys are almost slam dunks and other, very comparable players barely get any consideration. Biggio just missed 1st ballot election, and got in easily this year, yet Jeff Kent never gets close and Kent was every bit as good as Biggio.

You cringe at a guy getting into the Hall with over 3000 hits and you don't understand the difference between Kent and Biggio? Kent is Hall of Very Good.

 

[Parade_Rain]

There are hundreds of players who played 15+ years that aren't in the HOF.

Yes, you have to be major league quality for a long time in order to stick. That doesn't mean HOF quality.

No, but that is the first mark that separates the wheat from the chaff.

 

[2323]

You cringe at a guy getting into the Hall with over 3000 hits and you don't understand the difference between Kent and Biggio? Kent is Hall of Very Good.

Biggio is in because he's more "famous."

Btw, I just looked it up and Biggio only hit .300 four times.

 

[2323]

With Santo In Dick Allen should be in. Contemporary who is better

No. You shouldn't get in with two first names. He should have to decide if he's a Dick or an Allen...but not both. That's probably why Jeff Kent won't make it in.

Hank Aaron is an exception because he's Hank Aaron.

 

[TL1961]

You cringe at a guy getting into the Hall with over 3000 hits and you don't understand the difference between Kent and Biggio? Kent is Hall of Very Good.

I know. I am not crying over kent not getting in. But he seemed to be more of a threat as an opponent than Biggio.

 

[TL1961]

Biggio is in because he's more "famous."

Btw, I just looked it up and Biggio only hit .300 four times.

Biggio also displayed little power over his first ten years, then suddenly, at age 35, started hitting HR's in the middle of the steroid era.

 

[TL1961]

No, but that is the first mark that separates the wheat from the chaff.

Yes, I understand only very god players last that long. My point wasn't that BAD players play 20 years. my point is playing 20 years shouldn't automatically get you in the hall. Otherwise, we'd have Mike Morgan, Jamie Moyer, Rusty Staub, etc. All good players, but not HOF.

 

[cbfan]

Wasn't Jeff Bagwell a roid guy? Or am I confusing him with Buff Bagwell?


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[Parade_Rain]

Biggio also displayed little power over his first ten years, then suddenly, at age 35, started hitting HR's in the middle of the steroid era.

The increase in power couldn't have anything to do with playing in a pitchers park at home and then moving into a hitter friendly park with closer fences later in his career? Tony Gwynn got a bit of a power surge toward the end of his career for a couple of seasons and much of it he credited to a conversation he had with Ted Williams in the off-season. We should just assume it was roids, right?

 

[DewsSox79]

Bryant got snubbed


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[2323]

Biggio also displayed little power over his first ten years, then suddenly, at age 35, started hitting HR's in the middle of the steroid era.

You might want to check to see if the timing lines up with the time they moved from the astrodome to Enron. Enron is a bandbox especially compared to the old astrodome.

Nevermind-Paraderain already mentioned this.

 

[2323]

Wasn't Jeff Bagwell a roid guy? Or am I confusing him with Buff Bagwell?


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I think his girlfriend/wife did some tell all about him.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The increase in power couldn't have anything to do with playing in a pitchers park at home and then moving into a hitter friendly park with closer fences later in his career? Tony Gwynn got a bit of a power surge toward the end of his career for a couple of seasons and much of it he credited to a conversation he had with Ted Williams in the off-season. We should just assume it was roids, right?

You just hit upon the real tragedy of the steroids era; it made everyone a suspect. Now no increase in power can ever be looked at it without at least the suspicion of PEDs. Just for the record I'm not making a judgement on that fact either way, just saying it is what it is.

 

[brett05]

Wasn't Jeff Bagwell a roid guy? Or am I confusing him with Buff Bagwell?


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That's Buff

 

[brett05]

Bryant got snubbed


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:lol: Priceless