2015 Baseball Hall of Fame elections

[TC in Mississippi]

This is the opposite of how it should happen. There is no reason why he shouldn't be allowed in the Hall of Fame provided he isn't hired as a game day coach. Scout? How could he possibly negatively impact the game? The Hall Of Fame is an honor bestowed upon numbers achieved on the field, not how many wives someone has had or casual acquaintances they've passed STD's to. Rose is the All-Time #1 in number of hits in the game and unless there are some rules changes that significantly hamper pitching, 4,256 will never be approached by another player. Those numbers he put up matter and Charlie Hustle belongs in the Hall.

Your argument is based on a belief that the HoF is only based on achievements. It isn't. There is also a code of conduct. I don't think number of wives plays into that but gambling on baseball? How can not play a part? It has been one of baseball's most sacred rules for decades. If you want subjective how about guys that didn't get in or were delayed for decades because they pissed off baseball writers? This isn't that. The HoF is an honor bestowed upon you, not something you earn based on objective criteria.

 

[brett05]

Because it's a hypocrisy. It's what you don't see. It's also hypocritical for selling to make money off rose for baseball but won't reinstate him. Rose thought when he signed the admission of guilt that he would be up for reinstatement. Look at the court system. They have mandates on offenses. Do they show leniency for good behavior? Yes. People are playing the moral police


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It has nothing to do with morality. It's a well publicized never changing rule of the sport. You keep missing that.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The application of law and rules are based upon precedent. To say that doesn't matter denies how our justice system works.

Baseball is a private enterprise, not a court of law. It can choose to hand out honors any way it sees fit. This man dishonored a rule most consider sacrosanct. Why should he then receive honors in return? I just don't get the logic.

 

[brett05]

There are a lot of writers who disagree. I read all over the place that when the old guard of writers gets out that the new generation will put them in. It's already gaining momentum. It's completely hypocritical


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They will all be ineligible (ten year term) long before that hypothetical happens

 

[Parade_Rain]

Baseball is a private enterprise, not a court of law. It can choose to hand out honors any way it sees fit. This man dishonored a rule most consider sacrosanct. Why should he then receive honors in return? I just don't get the logic.

Great strawman.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Your argument is based on a belief that the HoF is only based on achievements. It isn't. There is also a code of conduct. I don't think number of wives plays into that but gambling on baseball? How can not play a part? It has been one of baseball's most sacred rules for decades. If you want subjective how about guys that didn't get in or were delayed for decades because they pissed off baseball writers? This isn't that. The HoF is an honor bestowed upon you, not something you earn based on objective criteria.

Ted Williams pissed off baseball writers. He got in. Why? Greatest hitter of all-time. Let's stop with the hyperbole. Thanks.

 

[brett05]

Rose is the All-Time #1 in number of hits in the game and unless there are some rules changes that significantly hamper pitching, 4,256 will never be approached by another player.

Wait, didn't Ichiro surpass it if you combine his japan stats? He's going to be close if he plays this year I believe. My point is that I can see it being broke quite easily. This isn't on the level as Noaln Rayn with his k's and no hitters

 

[brett05]

Great strawman.

I am not saying it isn;t there, but I fail to see the strawman.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Wait, didn't Ichiro surpass it if you combine his japan stats? He's going to be close if he plays this year I believe. My point is that I can see it being broke quite easily. This isn't on the level as Noaln Rayn with his k's and no hitters

We are not going to be adding Japan stats in this. Do you want Flutie's numbers from the CFL being added to his NFL career? They aren't the same. His record could be easily broken? LOL.

 

[brett05]

We are not going to be adding Japan stats in this. Do you want Flutie's numbers from the CFL being added to his NFL career? They aren't the same. His record could be easily broken? LOL.

If Ichiro would have played here it would have been. Come on now. I understand having a love affair with Rose. I really do, but stop ignoring the negative facts of the case.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I am not saying it isn;t there, but I fail to see the strawman.

Good, because the post wasn't addressed to you.

 

[brett05]

Good, because the post wasn't addressed to you.

Wow...testeee...:aj:

 

[TL1961]

The application of law and rules are based upon precedent. To say that doesn't matter denies how our justice system works.

Not at all.

I am the one calling for the punishments to be fairly doled out, whether a crime against society, a crime against baseball, a breach of ethics by a CPA or lawyer, whatever. The appropriate governing body should take appropriate action.

If steroid users get into the hall, it has no bearing on whether a disbarred lawyer should be allowed back into the bar association. Why should it have any bearing on Rose?

 

[Parade_Rain]

If Ichiro would have played here it would have been. Come on now. I understand having a love affair with Rose. I really do, but stop ignoring the negative facts of the case.

I have no love affair with Rose. I have an issue with people like you who don't recognize how much more difficult the MLB is than NPB.

 

[brett05]

I have no love affair with Rose. I have an issue with people like you who don't recognize how much more difficult the MLB is than NPB.

I don't care about the NPB. I care about the MLB. If that is an issue for you, I feel bad for ya

 

[Parade_Rain]

I don't care about the NPB. I care about the MLB. If that is an issue for you, I feel bad for ya

If you don't care about the difference between the NPB and the MLB, then you shouldn't be bringing up Ichiro and how easily Rose's record could have been broken.

 

[brett05]

If you don't care about the difference between the NPB and the MLB, then you shouldn't be bringing up Ichiro and how easily Rose's record could have been broken.

oh boy....Considering what Ichiro did in the bigs...forget it. I don't think on this point you can see it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

oh boy....Considering what Ichiro did in the bigs...forget it. I don't think on this point you can see it.

Your smugness is typical when you have no knowledge, but still must maintain your position. You have no answer to the difference between the quality of the two leagues, yet you want to include the numbers of his youth, when he could have been playing college ball or stuck in the MiLB awaiting Super 2 status, etc. I happen to have had discussions with people who have played in both leagues. I understand the difference. It's clear you don't, when you suggest 4,256 will easily be broken. Batting averages are going down right now. Hello, McFly!

 

[Parade_Rain]

Oh, and BTW, Tressel was just voted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Ted Williams pissed off baseball writers. He got in. Why? Greatest hitter of all-time. Let's stop with the hyperbole. Thanks.

No hyperbole at all. I just gave you evidence that there aren't specific, objective standards for the HoF. The desire to give an honor to a man who has been almost completely dishonorable in his actions just because time has passed in indefensible to me.