2015 Baseball Hall of Fame elections

[brett05]

Your smugness is typical when you have no knowledge, but still must maintain your position. You have no answer to the difference between the quality of the two leagues, yet you want to include the numbers of his youth, when he could have been playing college ball or stuck in the MiLB awaiting Super 2 status, etc. I happen to have had discussions with people who have played in both leagues. I understand the difference. It's clear you don't, when you suggest 4,256 will easily be broken. Batting averages are going down right now. Hello, McFly!

The smugness is that you think Ichiro would not have been a preennial AS when he was younger in the bigs. Loads of MLB experts say he would have. You'd rather keep your head stuck in the sand then to admit that Ichiro is one of those rare talents that come along. Like I said, you can't see it. I can't make you see it.

 

[brett05]

Oh, and BTW, Tressel was just voted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

Wrong thread

 

[brett05]

An attempt to guess what Ichiro might have done had he been here sooner. I disagree, but I applaud the efforts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hiro-have-had-if-his-entire-career-was-in-mlb

 

[Parade_Rain]

The smugness is that you think Ichiro would not have been a preennial AS when he was younger in the bigs. Loads of MLB experts say he would have. You'd rather keep your head stuck in the sand then to admit that Ichiro is one of those rare talents that come along. Like I said, you can't see it. I can't make you see it.

"Perennial All Star" does not equal a player getting 4,256 hits in MLB. You're a clown.

 

[Parade_Rain]

An attempt to guess what Ichiro might have done had he been here sooner. I disagree, but I applaud the efforts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...hiro-have-had-if-his-entire-career-was-in-mlb

How many HR would Ted Willaims have hit, if he didn't give up essentially 5 seasons of baseball to fight in two different wars? How many HR would Griffey Jr have had, if he wasn't often injured? Speculation is just that. It isn't real. The reality is that Ichiro played in NPB and it doesn't count for MLB. He will be in HoF, but Rose is the hit king.

 

[SilenceS]

Baseball is a private enterprise, not a court of law. It can choose to hand out honors any way it sees fit. This man dishonored a rule most consider sacrosanct. Why should he then receive honors in return? I just don't get the logic.

So, you can admit the hypocrisy of mlb. Not only did they make money off of rose but they allow players who cheat to continue to play which had there enhancement could completely affect the outcome of games. It's a complete double standard that people ignore because the baseball rule book.


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[Parade_Rain]

Wrong thread

The guy is still on a show cause penalty this year with the NCAA and STILL got voted into the relevant HoF.

 

[brett05]

How many HR would Ted Willaims have hit, if he didn't give up essentially 5 seasons of baseball to fight in two different wars? How many HR would Griffey Jr have had, if he wasn't often injured? Speculation is just that. It isn't real. The reality is that Ichiro played in NPB and it doesn't count for MLB. He will be in HoF, but Rose is the hit king.

And if Ichiro surpasses the total combines most people who love baseball will recognize Ichiro than Rose.

 

[brett05]

How many HR would Ted Willaims have hit, if he didn't give up essentially 5 seasons of baseball to fight in two different wars? How many HR would Griffey Jr have had, if he wasn't often injured? Speculation is just that. It isn't real. The reality is that Ichiro played in NPB and it doesn't count for MLB. He will be in HoF, but Rose is the hit king.

Both would have been much better on their career totals. Heck Teddy might have eclipsed Ruth First.

 

[brett05]

The guy is still on a show cause penalty this year with the NCAA and STILL got voted into the relevant HoF.

Wow, is this tough to read. ANd even harder as the analogy doesn't work. If I were you I'd call me some more names.

 

[TL1961]

Oh, and BTW, Tressel was just voted into the College Football Hall of Fame.

And what is the immediate reaction? That it's wrong. The college football hall of fame just showed it has no shame and little integrity.

The very last thing I want to see is for baseball to follow suit.

The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame inducts everybody who ever sang a song. There is no exclusivity. It is a hall of music, rather than an honor. That's their choice, and it makes a nice museum. But membership has no meaning. I don't want baseball going there either.

 

[TL1961]

"Perennial All Star" does not equal a player getting 4,256 hits in MLB. You're a clown.

YOU'RE STILL ARGUING BASEBALL SKILLS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WHOLE DAMN POINT!!!!

The following things don't matter when it comes to the question of Rose and his penalty"
1. The number of hits he had - it's about a penalty, not his credentials.
2. Ichiro
3. The fact that the college football hall of fame has no shame
4. Morality - Rose isn't out due to the morality clause. he's not due to sportswriters' interpretation of the code of conduct. He is out because his crime carries a well-known, quite specific penalty, and that penalty is lifetime banishment from baseball.


And by the way....Ted Williams pissing off reporters doesn't fall under the code of conduct / morality issue. It's true some reporters display bias in voting based on whether or not they like a guy. But a guy being unlikable doesn't make him immoral.

 

[TL1961]

The guy is still on a show cause penalty this year with the NCAA and STILL got voted into the relevant HoF.

Which is disgusting! Do we want baseball's hall to be equally disgusting?

The difference is, baseball has rules which protect its integrity (to the best of their ability). College football's vote was left to voters who have the right to ignore cheating, and thus have created a hall of shame. To elect a known cheater to a hall of fame is a huge, huge black eye.

 

[Parade_Rain]

And what is the immediate reaction? That it's wrong.

No. That's YOUR immediate reaction. Tressel belongs. I can see the reaction being there based upon him still being on a show cause. They could have waited, but unfortunately for you, the vote was based upon the on-the-field performance of his teams.

 

[Parade_Rain]

YOU'RE STILL ARGUING BASEBALL SKILLS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WHOLE DAMN POINT!!!!

Brett05 was discussing the ease of which 4256 could be broken and the specific discussion regarded Ichiro. 4256 and whether or not it can be broken is a baseball skill.

The following things don't matter when it comes to the question of Rose and his penalty"
1. The number of hits he had - it's about a penalty, not his credentials.

We know this.

2. Ichiro

We know this. Neither Brett or myself made that suggestion or connection in our discussion.

3. The fact that the college football hall of fame has no shame

In your opinion. You're the same guy who has no problem sullying the reputation of Biggio or Bagwell just because you made some claim about steroids that you can't prove. You've done nothing short of spreading rumors and making false claims.

4. Morality - Rose isn't out due to the morality clause. he's not due to sportswriters' interpretation of the code of conduct. He is out because his crime carries a well-known, quite specific penalty, and that penalty is lifetime banishment from baseball.

Thanks, Captain Obvious

And by the way....Ted Williams pissing off reporters doesn't fall under the code of conduct / morality issue. It's true some reporters display bias in voting based on whether or not they like a guy. But a guy being unlikable doesn't make him immoral.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. Your Moral Patrol buddy, TC, is the one who brought up not getting along with reporters.

Speaking of unbreakable records, you've created so many strawmen in your post and pounded the heck out of them so badly, you won the internet in a fashion that will not likely be repeated any time soon, unless you read the Bears forum.

 

[Parade_Rain]

And if Ichiro surpasses the total combines most people who love baseball will recognize Ichiro than Rose.

No they won't. NPB does not equal MLB. Never has and likely never will.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Wow, is this tough to read. ANd even harder as the analogy doesn't work. If I were you I'd call me some more names.

You can't dismiss the NCAA Football HoF vote just because it hurts your cause. I have no problem channeling patg006, since you suggested we were similar. Deal with it.

 

[TL1961]

No. That's YOUR immediate reaction. Tressel belongs. I can see the reaction being there based upon him still being on a show cause. They could have waited, but unfortunately for you, the vote was based upon the on-the-field performance of his teams.

Come back tomorrow and let me know if I was the only one who felt it was wrong to induct a cheater into the hof.

Silly me, for a minute there I thought you were pointing to the Tressel situation to say "Tressel got in when he shouldn't have, why not Rose?" (Because that's the level of reasoning at work here.)

But you were saying "Yay!! At least SOME people ignore cheating!"

The immediate reaction to Tressel in the HOF is "Eeeeewwww!! Gross!"

I see the link on ESPN.com: "Tressel, Bosworth picks questioned".

 

[TL1961]

You can't dismiss the NCAA Football HoF vote just because it hurts your cause. I have no problem channeling patg006, since you suggested we were similar. Deal with it.

The college football HOF is not run by or affiliated with the NCAA.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Come back tomorrow and let me know if I was the only one who felt it was wrong to induct a cheater into the hof.

Silly me, for a minute there I thought you were pointing to the Tressel situation to say "Tressel got in when he shouldn't have, why not Rose?" (Because that's the level of reasoning at work here.)

But you were saying "Yay!! At least SOME people ignore cheating!"

The immediate reaction to Tressel in the HOF is "Eeeeewwww!! Gross!"

I see the link on ESPN.com: "Tressel, Bosworth picks questioned".

Well, I have no need to come back tomorrow, because right in my post I stated "I can see the reaction being there based upon him still being on a show cause. They could have waited", but even after the Show Cause is up, he will always be considered a cheater.

I found the induction of Bosworth just as interesting as Tressel.