2019-20 MLB Hot Stove thread

[anotheridiot]

Pretty sure that Chatwood is in the driver's seat for the 5. Alozay, Mills and Rae would have to beat him.

I would much rather write Chatwood in at the 5 and let Mills, Alzolay and Rea battle for the 6th spot.

I am pretty sure there is going to actually be competition for CF and 2B this spring, might as well make them compete for the rotation as well. No numbers off the bus, let them earn their spots. If Hendricks is the best pitcher this spring, then he is simply named the 1.
I gotta believe that is part of Ross and accountability. The buddies of Lester and Rizzo will be taxed.

 

[Omeletpants]

I would much rather write Chatwood in at the 5 and let Mills, Alzolay and Rea battle for the 6th spot.

I am pretty sure there is going to actually be competition for CF and 2B this spring, might as well make them compete for the rotation as well. No numbers off the bus, let them earn their spots. If Hendricks is the best pitcher this spring, then he is simply named the 1.
I gotta believe that is part of Ross and accountability. The buddies of Lester and Rizzo will be taxed.

So sad that MLB has gone to a 6 SP rotation. Pussies

 

[Steve_A]

So sad that MLB has gone to a 6 SP rotation. Pussies

Do you ever have anything positive to say? Or are you some grumpy old bag with no real friends?

 

[Omeletpants]

Do you ever have anything positive to say? Or are you some grumpy old bag with no real friends?

STFU and deal with the content.

Plaigerize more articles and put the owners of this site at risk of a lawsuit, asshole

 

[CSF77]

I would much rather write Chatwood in at the 5 and let Mills, Alzolay and Rea battle for the 6th spot.

I am pretty sure there is going to actually be competition for CF and 2B this spring, might as well make them compete for the rotation as well. No numbers off the bus, let them earn their spots. If Hendricks is the best pitcher this spring, then he is simply named the 1.
I gotta believe that is part of Ross and accountability. The buddies of Lester and Rizzo will be taxed.

MLB will not adapt a 6 man rotation. That is 30 teams looking at holding 1 more 10M per year play on avg.

The 26 man most likely will be used as a flex position for NL. Extra arm or bat as needed. Not a 6th starter. Only team that might do this is LAA to keep Otanhi's innings down. He should be on a innings limit and when he hits it it is easier to transition to a 5 man rotation after and Otani becomes the primary DH again.

But that is situational. It will never be adapted accross baseball due to a few factors. I major one is cash. You are paying a ace 35 mil per year and now he is pitching 27 games vs 35 games.

That becomes a big deal. Not to mention you want your best going more than less on a contender.

 

[Castor76]

STFU and deal with the content.

Plaigerize more articles and put the owners of this site at risk of a lawsuit, asshole

You should understand that as a platform, the owners of this site have no liability in what a poster submits here. I could copy and paste the Harry Potter novels as my own and CCS would have no liability.

 

[Omeletpants]

You should understand that as a platform, the owners of this site have no liability in what a poster submits here. I could copy and paste the Harry Potter novels as my own and CCS would have no liability.

Oh, then Steve_A is just a thief

 

[Steve_A]

You should understand that as a platform, the owners of this site have no liability in what a poster submits here. I could copy and paste the Harry Potter novels as my own and CCS would have no liability.

Thanks for the logical post.
People this guys not even a Cubs fan.
Just some net stalker.

 

[anotheridiot]

MLB will not adapt a 6 man rotation. That is 30 teams looking at holding 1 more 10M per year play on avg.

The 26 man most likely will be used as a flex position for NL. Extra arm or bat as needed. Not a 6th starter. Only team that might do this is LAA to keep Otanhi's innings down. He should be on a innings limit and when he hits it it is easier to transition to a 5 man rotation after and Otani becomes the primary DH again.

But that is situational. It will never be adapted accross baseball due to a few factors. I major one is cash. You are paying a ace 35 mil per year and now he is pitching 27 games vs 35 games.

That becomes a big deal. Not to mention you want your best going more than less on a contender.

Why in the hell does MLB have to adapt to the 6 man? Did the MLB adapt to Tony LaRussa batting the pitcher 8th, (tea baggers leave that out when Maddon did it).

Where do you see any sense to needing an extra arm when they are forcing relievers to face 3 batters? You are either considering long offensive outbursts if you are still considering using 6 relievers in 2 innings, or you are going to have a bunch of pitchers on too much rest.

As far as the cash problem? We are talking about a minor league minimum guy having the 6 spot. Someone is ready when the rotation goes to 5. Did you think I was suggesting signing Cole to be the 6th pitcher?

 

[CSF77]

Why in the hell does MLB have to adapt to the 6 man? Did the MLB adapt to Tony LaRussa batting the pitcher 8th, (tea baggers leave that out when Maddon did it).

Where do you see any sense to needing an extra arm when they are forcing relievers to face 3 batters? You are either considering long offensive outbursts if you are still considering using 6 relievers in 2 innings, or you are going to have a bunch of pitchers on too much rest.

As far as the cash problem? We are talking about a minor league minimum guy having the 6 spot. Someone is ready when the rotation goes to 5. Did you think I was suggesting signing Cole to be the 6th pitcher?

It is as I said. If MLB starts to force 6 man rotations both the MLBPA and the owners would appose it.

MLBPA would be looking at the owners trying to lower the values of their pending FA SP due to less games. Owners would be looking at the short term impact where they are paying for 32-35 starts and now are getting 25-27 starts for the same cash investment.

The 5 man rotation is going no where and if a team needs a spot starter that is where you will see a guy on the 40 bumped up then demoted right after.

As far as the Cubs are concerned they are loading up in pen arms. So I see Chatwood as the 5. Then they will start to load up with Mills (no options/Rae and some of the guys they got from SDP. Etc. Home developed with options most likely become AAA-MLB transit.

 

[anotheridiot]

It is as I said. If MLB starts to force 6 man rotations both the MLBPA and the owners would appose it.

MLBPA would be looking at the owners trying to lower the values of their pending FA SP due to less games. Owners would be looking at the short term impact where they are paying for 32-35 starts and now are getting 25-27 starts for the same cash investment.

The 5 man rotation is going no where and if a team needs a spot starter that is where you will see a guy on the 40 bumped up then demoted right after.

As far as the Cubs are concerned they are loading up in pen arms. So I see Chatwood as the 5. Then they will start to load up with Mills (no options/Rae and some of the guys they got from SDP. Etc. Home developed with options most likely become AAA-MLB transit.

I still do not understand what you are wanting to fight about this time. If a team wants to have a 4 man rotation, they can do it. The team can do whatever they want. You got 7 starters, **** it, throw 7, keep everyone fresh. You are implying there is a rule that you must have 5 starters and you can only use 5 starters. Where is this coming from other than having to go against whatever I might suggest?

Why does MLB have to mandate anything. We are all getting an extra player on the roster and MLB is mandating you will probably not use 6 relievers every game, so why not have that extra guy a starter? You do not have to go thru life being a follower, some people can be the reason other teams do it.

 

[beckdawg]

FWIW.... https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...riley-and-wright-from-braves-for-kris-bryant/

 

[CSF77]

FWIW.... https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs...riley-and-wright-from-braves-for-kris-bryant/

Drew Waters and Riley at min. One of the RHP if a 2nd year attached.

I'm ok with this trade.

 

[beckdawg]

Drew Waters and Riley at min. One of the RHP if a 2nd year attached.

I'm ok with this trade.

I am not that interested in riley tbqh. Like i get the logic of including him from both sides but you're talking about a guy who in the minors had 506 k's in 1996 PAs which is a 25.4% k rate. If you want to argue he was young for some of those levels and that is a bit high ok but like best case you're looking at an average K rate guy and more likely below average. He's also more an average defender at 3B at best. On a different type of team I can see the appeal but to a cubs team that already K's too much he's not really my type unless you find way to wheel him off to someone else for something. To me you have to have Anderson and Waters in the deal. Wright I wouldn't have to have. I'd be happy with him but if you got the other 2 I might even consider some of their lower tier prospects like a Muller or Bryse Wilson.

In fact, I wouldn't hate seeing something like Bryant and Q for Waters Anderson and maybe 2 of the group of Wilson, Muller and Wright if they felt like the cubs aren't giving up enough for Anderson/Waters and want to cheaply improve their #5 starter over Newcomb. It would hurt the cubs some what badly in 2020 obviously but Wilson is basically MLB ready in a similar way to Alzolay as is Wright. Muller is likely a year behind but all are close enough that by 2021 you could be talking about them as rotation pieces.

 

[CSF77]

I only would want Riley just because there would be a hole at 3B. Now to be quite honest 3B might be Happ's strongest spot. And I believe that he has more upside than Bote.

That is why I would hold off on trading Bryant just to get out of the potential pay day.

Trading Q makes more sense with Rea and Mills MLB ready and Chatwood IMO ready for another shot.

 

[CSF77]

To be fair I would be for Bote 2B Happ 3B if they went that direction with Waters in CF.

Happ was avg at 3B. 2B he is a problem. Bote played 2B fine in the past. This gives Nico a good 300 PA at Iowa. I personally believe that he hits .200 if he starts out of S/T. Teams will have the book on him this time around vs a unexpected AA promotion.

 

[anotheridiot]

To be fair I would be for Bote 2B Happ 3B if they went that direction with Waters in CF.

Happ was avg at 3B. 2B he is a problem. Bote played 2B fine in the past. This gives Nico a good 300 PA at Iowa. I personally believe that he hits .200 if he starts out of S/T. Teams will have the book on him this time around vs a unexpected AA promotion.

Bote has the much better glove for the hot corner than happ, has the better arm as well.

 

[TL1961]

I'm so excited about the prospect of watching Bote and Happ play in the same IF regularly. Woohoo!!

Better go get 5 Nolan Ryans for the rotation.

 

[CSF77]

Bote has the much better glove for the hot corner than happ, has the better arm as well.

I did say Happ looked at his best at 3B. DRS was a 2. -1 at 2B. But UZR150 has him as a plus range 2B and a minus range 3B.

I would take it as he is is athletic enough to get to ground balls. but lacks a first step. Explains the 150
part. the DRS is more he is facing the ball and can line up a throw. vs more so throwing on the move.

He needs work for sure. CF would be the simple answer 1 DRS and a 32.2 UZR150.

And I did say it makes no sense to trade Bryant unless you are getting a 3B in return or you have a high end 3B prospect pending. This just feels adding 3 guys and back filling with Bote who is replacement quality him self.

0 DRS and a -4.7 UZR150. That doesn't scream legit option. add to it 106 wRC+ in 356 PA. He is just that replacement player value. At least Happ held a 127 UZR150. So the argument to find a stable position holds more true to him vs Bote who is just a roster filler.

 

[TL1961]

Quantity doesn’t help. Whoever gets the best player in the trade wins.

If the Cubs go from Bryant to Bote the offense will be anemic. They’d need to get some really elite prospects.

Getting a few guys who won’t be stars does no good.