2024-2025 Around the NBA Thread

[knoxville7]

Nuggets desperately need to get Jokic help. It's crazy how bad they look every team he leaves the game. Every game we hear, "Can the Nuggets keep it together during the non-Jokic minutes."

They have no other center to play and help Jokic get some rest. MPJ is absolute dog shit. Gordon is a very good role player, but shouldn't be option #3 on offense. Murray is good, but way too inconsistent. Russ is the epitome of inconsistency.

Without making a massive move, the nuggets won't sniff another chip

as soon as westbrook was put on the roster, it was obvious they werent winning a title again

 

[SilenceS]

Man, Cooper Flagg would be nice. My thought. NBA give Mats number 1 pick. Cooper Flagg. Next white hope an Iron and Lakers get a ring.

I fucking CALLED IT!

 

[Scoot26]

Bulls lost the tiebreaker on positioning to the Mavs.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Tell me this shit isn't rigged.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Tell me this shit isn't rigged.

This shit ain’t…..

NVM…. it’s rigged

 

[clonetrooper264]

Bulls lost the tiebreaker on positioning to the Mavs.

Well clearly since it's rigged, it didn't matter. Bulls win the tiebreaker, Mavs would still get the #1 pick lol

 

[BNB]

Literally everyone, including Mavs fans, is saying this was rigged hahahah.

 

[BNB]

If Kyrie didn't get injured, the Mavs would have had a pretty sick starting lineup.

Kyrie, Klay, Flagg, Davis, Gafford.

 

[Scoot26]

Literally everyone, including Mavs fans, is saying this was rigged hahahah.

I mean you had 4 teams win 21 games or less and they are picking #4, #5, #6, and #7.

You had a team win 39 games, participate in the play-in, trade away their generational player, and they win the lottery in which a generational player is the consensus #1 pick.

A team that is on the rise with a real good roster construction, but lost their almost super to blood clots (that doesn't seem to be long term) wins the #2 pick

Then a team with an aging, often injured superstar (who may not be one anymore), while also have a rather good roster construction otherwise, wins the #3 pick.

I don't know how legit bad teams like Charlotte and Washington are ever suppose to improve short of getting lucky with someone falling or the unexpected happening.

But this is a league where the vast majority of superstars in league history were #1 picks. Though it may be in more recent times that they are not (SGA was #11, Giannis #15, Joker #41.. but those are still not picks that are helping legit bad teams).

I think the lottery reformat has led to more chaos, which I don't know, maybe the NBA prefers. But it's also playing a parity game with the CBA, but this can help create a loophole in giving a team that had 2 stars already giving them a young, and cheap player for 4 years that can potentially create super teams.

Perhaps it is a case of the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[BNB]

Hate to say it, but it seems like the refs are fucking NY

 

[BNB]

I mean you had 4 teams win 21 games or less and they are picking #4, #5, #6, and #7.

You had a team win 39 games, participate in the play-in, trade away their generational player, and they win the lottery in which a generational player is the consensus #1 pick.

A team that is on the rise with a real good roster construction, but lost their almost super to blood clots (that doesn't seem to be long term) wins the #2 pick

Then a team with an aging, often injured superstar (who may not be one anymore), while also have a rather good roster construction otherwise, wins the #3 pick.

I don't know how legit bad teams like Charlotte and Washington are ever suppose to improve short of getting lucky with someone falling or the unexpected happening.

But this is a league where the vast majority of superstars in league history were #1 picks. Though it may be in more recent times that they are not (SGA was #11, Giannis #15, Joker #41.. but those are still not picks that are helping legit bad teams).

I think the lottery reformat has led to more chaos, which I don't know, maybe the NBA prefers. But it's also playing a parity game with the CBA, but this can help create a loophole in giving a team that had 2 stars already giving them a young, and cheap player for 4 years that can potentially create super teams.

Perhaps it is a case of the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Charlotte in particular keeps getting fucked in the lottery.

Could also be a case of when you try to fix one thing, you create another problem. Obviously there were concerns with tanking, so the NBA introduced the play-in and reformatted the lottery, but it's only made it easier for good teams to get a star player.

 

[Axl Rose]

Tatum just tore his achilles.

 

[BNB]

Tatum just tore his achilles.

This fucked their dynasty chances. Not only does it kill their chances to win this year, but he likely doesn't come back next season, which takes them out of the running.

Their tax bill (for being so over the cap) is going to be over 250 million if they keep the same roster going into next season.

I wouldn't be shocked if Boston started to ship some guys out who they were planning on moving away from in 2027 anyway.

 

[Scoot26]

Charlotte in particular keeps getting fucked in the lottery.

Could also be a case of when you try to fix one thing, you create another problem. Obviously there were concerns with tanking, so the NBA introduced the play-in and reformatted the lottery, but it's only made it easier for good teams to get a star player.

Frankly, I never viewed tanking as that big of an issue prior to the current lottery format.

I just have stopped being a fan of the lottery in any way. I know why it was created when teams purposely lost for Olajuwon in 1984, but I also don't feel like it ever really stopped teams from purposely losing. I'd be in favor of it just going by record. I also know this will never happen. My compromise would be the lottery is only between the 4 or 5 worst teams... not all non-playoff teams.

 

[Scoot26]

This fucked their dynasty chances. Not only does it kill their chances to win this year, but he likely doesn't come back next season, which takes them out of the running.

Their tax bill (for being so over the cap) is going to be over 250 million if they keep the same roster going into next season.

I wouldn't be shocked if Boston started to ship some guys out who they were planning on moving away from in 2027 anyway.

If Tatum has indeed tore his achilles, he's out all of next season.

There's no way Boston is paying $500 million to be a 1st round playoff team.

 

[BNB]

Frankly, I never viewed tanking as that big of an issue prior to the current lottery format.

I just have stopped being a fan of the lottery in any way. I know why it was created when teams purposely lost for Olajuwon in 1984, but I also don't feel like it ever really stopped teams from purposely losing. I'd be in favor of it just going by record. I also know this will never happen. My compromise would be the lottery is only between the 4 or 5 worst teams... not all non-playoff teams.

I'm with you, I never liked the lottery. Whether tanking is an "issue" or not is up for debate, but it's going to happen to some degree no matter the format.
Honestly, with it being such a long season, you pretty much know 20-25 games in if the season is a lost cause. It's kind of hard for players to stay motivated for another 60 games when they know they won't make the playoffs anyway. Or if a guy gets hurt, he'll just stay out because... why risk getting injured even further on a hopeless team?

I kind of like the idea of having the lottery for the worst 4 teams and the rest pick according to record.

 

[Axl Rose]

Jaylen strikes me as the type this org would go hard after.

 

[BNB]

If Tatum has indeed tore his achilles, he's out all of next season.

There's no way Boston is paying $500 million to be a 1st round playoff team.

Yeah, I'd be shocked. I would expect them to move on from either Porzingis, Jrue, or Derrick White. Maybe 2 of them.

Or, they trade Brown for a few picks and start reloading.

Maybe they call up Nico and offer Porzingis and Jrue for #1. We know Nico loves his defense!

 

[BNB]

Jaylen strikes me as the type this org would go hard after.

Please no

 

[Scoot26]

I'm with you, I never liked the lottery. Whether tanking is an "issue" or not is up for debate, but it's going to happen to some degree no matter the format.
Honestly, with it being such a long season, you pretty much know 20-25 games in if the season is a lost cause. It's kind of hard for players to stay motivated for another 60 games when they know they won't make the playoffs anyway. Or if a guy gets hurt, he'll just stay out because... why risk getting injured even further on a hopeless team?

I kind of like the idea of having the lottery for the worst 4 teams and the rest pick according to record.

Kind of what guys are doing anyways... they have any little nagging injury they just sit out and rest for awhile. No one is rushing to play and its not like the pre-2000's where so many guys played 75+ games and probably played through a lot of injuries.

I'd argue players weren't as fragile as they are today either though, but that's another topic.

But for all this talk of the lottery prevents tanking, I mean 7 teams basically tanked the majority of the season. Another team (the Spurs) didn't tank until their best player went out. Another team, the Blazers, couldn't figure out if they wanted to tank or not and basically got screwed over because of it.

The lottery just basically punishes actual bad teams, creates a massive NBA conspiracy theory that the lottery is rigged, and to me doesn't actually help the NBA product or game overall in what the NBA alleges it wants (parity).

Meanwhile the sport that has no NBA lottery and the draft order is strictly by how bad you are record wise has general parity in its league (the NFL).